The Glacier Guide

[Zed Brightlander]

Aug 10, 2012 15:02:22 GMT -5 Zed Brightlander said:

Aug 9, 2012 9:24:02 GMT -5 PoochieHellhound said:

I must have missed that one, I'm very sorry.

I would probably go CON/End/Rec for superstats, and get some DEX from Talents and Crit Chance from Gear. CON/Protector/Guardian is probably the best tanking spec tree combination, and in that case I would use the same as the one I have in this Guide. You could also go CON/Protector/Sentry if you want EVEN MOAR survivability, but I'm not sure this is necessary (I have just such a build on my Pushover Build.

Thanks a bunch. This is helpful.

Here is the build I just created based on your suggestion, PH.

champions-online.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=powerarchetype&action=display&thread=2367

I did notice a few things when I looked back a Tyro before I began any re-building with him.

INT seems to shorten the Cooldown times. If I swapped INT for the DEX when choosing Talents, just how short would the cooldown time become? Not planning on making the changes, more about just learning about the possibility of dropping Avalanches more often.

I'm probably just getting excited over a few descriptive words in a Secondary Stat. In game use is much different then off game descriptions.

[PoochieHellhound]

I don't know if statting for all three SuperStats is really necessary, especially since the only things with a cooldown in that build are the Active Defenses. The small investment will probably not be very noticable either if you put it into INT.

I usually use primarily the +10 Talents, and then incorporate the stats that I want to use, i.e.:
+5 CON/DEX
+5 CON/REC
+5 CON/END
+5 END/REC
+5 DEX/REC
+5 DEX/END

The other Talents either do not give as many points (In the case of the +8's) or don't have as much of an impact (The ones that are more spread out) so I don't use them except for a few cases.

[Zed Brightlander]

Aug 12, 2012 4:13:30 GMT -5 PoochieHellhound said:

I don't know if statting for all three SuperStats is really necessary, especially since the only things with a cooldown in that build are the Active Defenses. The small investment will probably not be very noticable either if you put it into INT.

I usually use primarily the +10 Talents, and then incorporate the stats that I want to use, i.e.:
+5 CON/DEX
+5 CON/REC
+5 CON/END
+5 END/REC
+5 DEX/REC
+5 DEX/END

The other Talents either do not give as many points (In the case of the +8's) or don't have as much of an impact (The ones that are more spread out) so I don't use them except for a few cases.

Oh, yeah. I forgot that doing it this way leads to + 15 in four Stats. In this case CON. END, DEX and REC.

Still, I was not sure if having 2 secondary Stats changed everything when gathering for a fourth Stat, in this case DEX. So I guess, then that we can treat DEX as a tertiary, as in less important, Stat, then Rec or END.

OKay, then.

[PoochieHellhound]

Whoa, I had a major typo up there, I wrote all three SuperStats when I meant all three Energy Stats. I apologize.

[Zed Brightlander]

Aug 9, 2012 9:24:02 GMT -5 PoochieHellhound said:

Aug 9, 2012 8:58:02 GMT -5 Zed Brightlander said:

Can my query be answered or did I ask the question poorly?

Basically I am looking for a way to Update the cold based build that AM created to include Spec. Can anyone help?

I must have missed that one, I'm very sorry.

I would probably go CON/End/Rec for superstats, and get some DEX from Talents and Crit Chance from Gear. CON/Protector/Guardian is probably the best tanking spec tree combination, and in that case I would use the same as the one I have in this Guide. You could also go CON/Protector/Sentry if you want EVEN MOAR survivability, but I'm not sure this is necessary (I have just such a build on my Pushover Build.

I've been looking and looking for gear with Crit Chance, but I am just not finding it. If I must I'll check the AH, do you know a few good search Prefixes?
* * *

Wait...

Somebody has been updating....

co-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=90112

AH-HA!
Acute, Ravaging, Transgression, Assaulting... These will do for a start. Unless you have another, better suggestion.

[PoochieHellhound]

Most Crit Chance from gear is gotten from a Primary Offense with a Gambling Gem in the Core Slot (More info is in the Stats section of the OP of this thread)

[weeninja]

Thanks for making this guide! It's been extremely helpful and i love my toon now But i'm wondering which type of crafting to do. I'm doing Science right now per the ChampionOnline Wiki page on Science crafting, but since i'm just doing solo pve, I don't really care about/need presence. So would I go with Arms? I've tried looking for guides on this but everything is on the old crafting and i don't get much of what's going on anyways lol
Thanks!

[Deleted]

There really isn't any semblance of crafting anymore. What you get with higher skill levels (regardless of any schools) is a higher success rate when fusing 5 lower level mods to into a higher level one. Essentially, you only need one hero with the maximum skill level to fuse all your mods. I wouldn't bother with 'crafting' on my other heroes.

[weeninja]

k thanx. i just found all your guides on all the AT's lol that's gonna be really useful

[creedangelus]

Um... i know this is an old thread, but i need an opinion on this, so... resurrect.

I play Fenrir; a rogue supersoldier whose body fluids are replaced by a liquid nitrogen-catalyzed serum. I've been building him as a form of hybrid despite the tank role, hopefully allowing me to be an offtank or at least a tankier than usual dps.

Ice shards
Ice blast 2, hard frost
Ice cage, crippling challenge
Invulnerability 3
Frost breath, frost bite
Concentration
Ice sheath 3
Ice shield
Shatter, nailed to the ground
Unbreakable
Ice barrier 3, frigid freedom
Avalanche 2, serrated shards

So that's 28 points i either already have, or am dead set on getting. My main problem is what the remaining 6 points should be invested in. I plan Fenrir to be decent at multiple jobs, but not overly specialized or inclined to one. Pve, i ease pressure off our main behemoth by trading aggro everytime he needs to breathe. When I'm not doing that, I'm clearing mobs or assisting in dps. I think ice barrier helps with these roles well.

In pvp, I'm hoping to take on ranged teleporters via ice cage, chill, shatter, and ice blast. I'm also hoping to defend myself against my brother's behemoth once he goes pvping, as well as other melees, by waiting for their gap closers, tapping ice sheath, ice shards, frost breath, and ice barrier, then shatter. In theory, I'll have generated some energy for shatter via the fuel my fire specialization and 1 autoattack from ice shards. And unless I plan on backstepping first before shattering the barriers, I think I can dance my fingers around on the keyboard quickly enough to do that combo in 2 seconds or so. During its cooldown, i'll rely on my other abilities for damage, and use avalanche to sustain my health with the adrenalin rush passive.

[supercollide]

Mar 25, 2013 17:54:11 GMT -5 creedangelus said:

Um... i know this is an old thread, but i need an opinion on this, so... resurrect.....

No Problem, we don't have the same rules regarding necrothreads. (unless it's adspammers resurrecting threads about the 2011 Captain America movie saying how they are looking forward to the movie releasing!)

As regards those 6 points left, I'd spend 2 boosting an AoE like frost breath or avalanche to R3, 2 more boosting a travel power for open world travel and the final 2 on frigid Air adv on the ice shield.

If you have a vehicle and plan on using that for open world travel then I'd be tempted to put concentration to R2 as I feel glaciers have a harder time gaining stacks initially and if I PvPd that would worry me.

[not1stepbackwards]

Hi there, creedangelus. Thanks for using your 1st post on such a relevant topic.

This old thread actually is worth raising, even for me, an experienced Glacier player.

The changes with the CO: Alert update, with Glaciers getting DEX, is interesting.

Basically, it changes the dynamics of the build to allow for more DPS with crits.

EDIT - my memory was confused, Glaciers get EGO, not DEX.

--- let's get to your specific questions 1st ---

Without reading Supercollide's advice (he too is an experienced player), I suggest this.

With 6 points, IMHO the priority is that they should be spent as follows (top being important):

2 points to Avalanche: Rank 2 - this will be your most used power at level 40 probably

2 points to Ice Shield: Frigid Air - remember blocking is a good power builder, use it well

2 points, IF you take Acrobatics: Flexibility - good for PvP to kite your opponent

2 points to Frost Breath: Rank 2 - if you do NOT take Acrobatics: Flexibility

--- just looking at Supercollide's suggestions now ---

Ok, yeah, I didn't want to give biased advice from reading someone else's post 1st.

But it does look we have very similar suggestions. AoE Rank 2, Frigid Air, travel powers.

Finally, a point on your brother's Behemoth. I have both a Level 40 Glacier and Behemoth.

Your Glacier should pwn him. It's going to be a lot of kiting and Ice Blast and Ice Cage.

A Glacier is tougher than a Behemoth, and you have much longer range, use that well.

[creedangelus]

Thanks.

Well the specializations I picked are just what this guide said. So are the talents.
I mentioned that I was going to get r2 and serrated shards for avalanche, so that leaves me with 6 points..
After the advice, I'm now dead set on getting the frigid air advantage.
I don't think I'm gonna get acrobatics since I have teleport, so that grants me 2 points for concentration r2 to make it easier to maintain.

And the last 2 points should be an AoE? Think frost breath r2, or Shatter r2?

Thanks guys. Really helpful.

[not1stepbackwards]

Mar 26, 2013 22:38:07 GMT -5 creedangelus said:

Thanks.

And the last 2 points should be an AoE? Think frost breath r2, or Shatter r2?

Sorry I missed how you already had Avalanche Rank 2.

Between those options, IMHO 2 points in Shatter, Crushed Ice.

Your Frost Breath is really to set up the Chill effect for Shatter.

And when you get Avalanche, you'll stop using Frost Breath.

[Zed Brightlander]

Dropped down to Silver status a few months back and have been playing my Glacier, Zed Icelander, again. Kind of fell back in love with this Arch again.

It's rock sturdy and more fun than I remembered. The only draw back is that my Glacier fun is keeping me from leveling my Tempest, Zed Brightlighting.