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Post by iueras on Feb 18, 2011 0:23:37 GMT -5
What are the moderator's problems on this thread? These boards are supposed to be for Silver players, i.e., FREE to play players. The attitude I see coming from the mods on this thread is condescending, talking down at the free players posting on the boards that were supposedly created FOR THEM.
There is more than enough bile and vitriol being spewed at the Silver players in-game and on the official boards without coming here to what is aspiring to be OUR (silvers) home and getting told "Take what you can get and STFU, you have no right to want anything more, pay to play or you are SOL."
I really question why the mods that have posted in this thread are even here, since they have an obvious axe to grind and/or dislike of Silver players. Perhaps they should seek modding opportunities elsewhere where the Silver players won't bother them?
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Post by dragondeathlor on Feb 18, 2011 10:01:24 GMT -5
The Dev's must treat us as potential gold members. If not some of us might just play for a while then leave for good. Not to be cynical but don't adopt that sort of mindset when dealing with Cryptic. The entire point of Silver membership is to entice players to buy a subscription. Silver = unlimited free trial. So sayeth the Champions Online Executive Producer. source: www.zam.com/story.html?story=24187While they might make a few more things available to Silver members in the future keep in mind that the end goal for the company is to make more money. Cryptic adopted the F2P model because it's proven to be successful if executed correctly. Turbine has been making a killing on DDO and LOTRO since those titles went free. Silver will end up making them more cash ( If handled Right). Subscription has alway been a bad idea for lot people, I payed out 25 dollars my first month. compared to 15 if I went subscription, I wound go life time if this was 2 years ago but cash has been tight the last 2 years. They would make more cash it they sold out each power change form a Arch-type and new adventure pack. For instance I just want my Vampire to wield a sword,Otherwise my beast archetype Would be perfect. F2P saves me from dealing with yet anther monthly bill to deal with.After all I am playing to avoid Work not Generate more. And I am like most americans a Impulse shopper, Subscription plan involving Commitment? Sorry fo me that's just repulsive but I see a Adventure pack for $9.99 and some new costume set for anther 5.00 and then I want the new Dark armer peices I buy them. I know that sounds silly but it's how people buy. It's how we are conditioned to buy. Now my worry that I waisting cash on my Silver account upgrades that I could be saving towards a $299.99 USD Champions Online Lifetime Subscription is stopping me from buying stuff. At 25 dollars a month I wind up paying that anyway in a year if not more. So F2P is a real viable model as people will pay each month for what they want more so than a monthly flat fee, Same reason that Netflix is beating Cable. Yet there getting stupid and offering subscriptions. American Companys just do not understand there consumer market. Hence China cheerfully destroying us in market place. Simply but Americans Hate a Monthly bill. Even if it costs us less in the long run. It might Not be common sense but these are real spending habits. Cryptic needs to look at the bottom line Real Spending habits and not common sense spending habits that no one has. Subscription should receive nothing extra that not available to silver just that it should get it free for there monthly charge. Example I want to do a Freeform fine as silver charge me by the extra power that dose not belong in my Archetype say 10.00 dollars per power. Wear a subscription get's it all free. My eyes suck Lemons so I apologize ahead of time for any typos I missed. Sorry. PS Yes I know that we pay Atari coins but please do not quibble we pay real cash for them so I'm not using them in my above examples as it would only confuse the issue.
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Post by Admin on Feb 18, 2011 16:00:04 GMT -5
What are the moderator's problems on this thread? These boards are supposed to be for Silver players, i.e., FREE to play players. The attitude I see coming from the mods on this thread is condescending, talking down at the free players posting on the boards that were supposedly created FOR THEM. There is more than enough bile and vitriol being spewed at the Silver players in-game and on the official boards without coming here to what is aspiring to be OUR (silvers) home and getting told "Take what you can get and STFU, you have no right to want anything more, pay to play or you are SOL." I really question why the mods that have posted in this thread are even here, since they have an obvious axe to grind and/or dislike of Silver players. Perhaps they should seek modding opportunities elsewhere where the Silver players won't bother them? A couple of issues I want to address in response to this post. First of all, these are not "official" forums, which means the people who mod here are volunteers not employees. As such, they are required to build up a post history here before qualifying to mod, which means that they were normal posters with their own opinions before ever becoming a mod. That being the case, a person's opinion isnt going to disappear just because they become a mod, and they also arent going to be asked to stop sharing their opinion just because they are also volunteering to help keep these forums under control. All of that said, the forum rules apply equally to everyone, and that includes the mods. If you think a mod is breaking a specific forum rule, feel free to report them. However, in that report you should be prepared to explain which specific rule they are breaking, and which specific comments are in question. It should also be understood that if you think talking in a condescending manner to someone else is wrong, then it is EQUALLY wrong if you do it in RESPONSE to their post.
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Post by theironbat on Feb 18, 2011 20:20:36 GMT -5
What are the moderator's problems on this thread? These boards are supposed to be for Silver players, i.e., FREE to play players. The attitude I see coming from the mods on this thread is condescending, talking down at the free players posting on the boards that were supposedly created FOR THEM. There is more than enough bile and vitriol being spewed at the Silver players in-game and on the official boards without coming here to what is aspiring to be OUR (silvers) home and getting told "Take what you can get and STFU, you have no right to want anything more, pay to play or you are SOL." I really question why the mods that have posted in this thread are even here, since they have an obvious axe to grind and/or dislike of Silver players. Perhaps they should seek modding opportunities elsewhere where the Silver players won't bother them? A couple of issues I want to address in response to this post. First of all, these are not "official" forums, which means the people who mod here are volunteers not employees. As such, they are required to build up a post history here before qualifying to mod, which means that they were normal posters with their own opinions before ever becoming a mod. That being the case, a person's opinion isnt going to disappear just because they become a mod, and they also arent going to be asked to stop sharing their opinion just because they are also volunteering to help keep these forums under control. All of that said, the forum rules apply equally to everyone, and that includes the mods. If you think a mod is breaking a specific forum rule, feel free to report them. However, in that report you should be prepared to explain which specific rule they are breaking, and which specific comments are in question. It should also be understood that if you think talking in a condescending manner to someone else is wrong, then it is EQUALLY wrong if you do it in RESPONSE to their post. These moderators are not being paid for anything they are doing here, so how could anyone say they don't care? They are helping new free players understand the game, AS WELL as letting them know the pros of buying and risks of buying. I am a 100% free player and have been grateful for all there help with this forum and information, you could even say they helped me enjoy CO more without buying anything. So please don't jump and lash at them when they are trying to help. They don't know what Cryptic is going to do in the future so they are in the same boat when it comes to what changes the game makes, they can't read your post and turn in there chair like the game owners are right there. Aaaanyway. Cryptic is simply going into this new f2p system very very VERY cautiously. I agree that they are being overly protective with the forum blocking, but aside from that nothing else is too harash. AT's are like said earlier, classes, most games have those so no reason to be mad about that, thats easy to live with. Only thing I feel they really need to let go is Adventure Pack's and new instances, and expand on the cash shop. If you give free players more content to keep playing, then they will keep buying those points for stuff in the cash shop. Its just if you choose to play free, it simply requires a lot more grinding. And any player with some money and little patience to wait to get to that new quest line, will fork up the cash. Its easier said then done, but thats where I think the foundation for the f2p format should go, I've seen it succeed in this way many times. But like I said earlier, Cryptic is being very careful being scared of free players ruining the gaming community and not buying anything.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2011 14:34:13 GMT -5
Perhaps if we saw a example we would know the problem. Please Post a Link and example Iueras. ...snip...then there be no argument as we can Judge for are selfs. Let's not encourage this kind of behavior. Asking to point out specific examples of bad forum behavior is the gateway to "naming and shaming" which will not be tolerated. If this thread continues to get too-off topic it will be locked.
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Post by iueras on Feb 19, 2011 14:36:19 GMT -5
All you have to do is read this thread to see exactly what I'm talking about.
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Post by something on Feb 19, 2011 14:47:13 GMT -5
i wish i read this before.. no wonder the f2p mode is so crapy.. guess i won't need to expect a change. sigh.. guess it is time to find a new game.
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Post by dragondeathlor on Feb 19, 2011 15:11:38 GMT -5
F2P will get better as they see the cash flow and silver will encourage developers to do more Adventure packs and add more content and thats good for every one.
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Post by PoochieHellhound on Feb 19, 2011 15:17:28 GMT -5
F2P will get better as they see the cash flow and silver will encourage developers to do more Adventure packs and add more content and thats good for every one. This. I want to remind people that this is not an official forum, so the answers posted here about subjects such as this can just as well be completely false as perfectly accurate. I also want to remind them that changes like content additions can't happen right away, the devs need to A) fix what the F2P patch broke. B) See what their expanded budget can amount to, and C) Listen to player feedback. Then they can start thinking about adding new content. If you don't want to play this game as-is, but can see potential, leave for a month and then return. I can almost guarantee that the game will be wildly different. Or, stay and give suggestions as of what you want to see. Or leave and give suggestions as of what you want to see. Some people have been saying over and over what they want to see since launch. Now, I believe that Cryptic has what it takes to implement these things, if they handle their momentum right. All we can do is cross out fingers until an official response comes from the devs.
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Post by krie on Feb 19, 2011 16:28:13 GMT -5
They cant give us silver people everything for free. Alot of these other games like perfect world for example, where do they get their money? Over powered items in cashshop. I dont know about some people, but I enjoy some form of balance in an mmo to where when I get bored and want to do some pvp that I dont get roflstomped by someone who went into cashshop and bought the "OMG sUp3r P0t1oN" or the "Ub3r its over 9000 sword!!!" then being called a noob. The ultimate goal for these companies is to make money. That goes for ALL so called "f2p" games. If money was not their goal then games like runes of magic and Alods would not have a cashshop at all and just give every one everything up front.
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Post by p on Feb 19, 2011 21:09:00 GMT -5
C) Listen to player feedback. I tend to doubt that...you know considering the whole forum situation.
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Post by PoochieHellhound on Feb 20, 2011 6:41:47 GMT -5
C) Listen to player feedback. I tend to doubt that...you know considering the whole forum situation. The Devs are very present at the official forums, and listen as much as possible to player feedback, and thanks to these forums, we can bring forward suggestions from Silver Players as well.
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Post by sizzlenuts on Feb 20, 2011 9:19:26 GMT -5
The only think that must be free are the new ATs or least some of them.There are exactly 3 ATs nice other sux no offense to anyone.I dont care if need grind or have no quests just must motivate those who cant pay a peni for anythink.There are people too.
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Post by Admin on Feb 20, 2011 9:29:10 GMT -5
Here is my take on this topic in general: the whole point of a F2P game is to allow you to play without NEEDING to spend anything, but designing it in such a way that you really WANT to. I mean, we are talking about a business here, and the point of a business is to make money.
As far as Champs itself goes, you can play the entire game with the exception of the adventure packs without NEEDING to spend a dime. And that in itself is actually alot of fun. Of course, as mentioned above, it is designed in a way that makes people WANT to spend money, although you certainly dont have to.
Regarding free characters being "weaker" than free form, that really on matters in PvP, and that is exactly why they created archetype only matches. So in reality, a person can play the entire game(except for adventure packs) for free, and never have to worry about being owned by a free form character in PvP.
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Post by krie on Feb 20, 2011 11:18:10 GMT -5
Here is my take on this topic in general: the whole point of a F2P game is to allow you to play without NEEDING to spend anything, but designing it in such a way that you really WANT to. I mean, we are talking about a business here, and the point of a business is to make money. As far as Champs itself goes, you can play the entire game with the exception of the adventure packs without NEEDING to spend a dime. And that in itself is actually alot of fun. Of course, as mentioned above, it is designed in a way that makes people WANT to spend money, although you certainly dont have to. Regarding free characters being "weaker" than free form, that really on matters in PvP, and that is exactly why they created archetype only matches. So in reality, a person can play the entire game(except for adventure packs) for free, and never have to worry about being owned by a free form character in PvP. 100% true. You can enjoy the game without spending a dime, tho I realy realy wanted darkness powers and I ended up throwing $12 bucks at the game and if atleast 1 more archtype comes out that peaks my intrest I may throw in a little more for an alt. Tho I myself hope they come out with a couple silver archtypes and as time goes on they might.
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