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Post by poopyhead on Feb 4, 2011 2:58:38 GMT -5
I never understood the F2P mentality. To me, without wanting to offend anyone) it seems to be the same as walking into a restaurant and expecting the food and drinks to be for free and only having to pay for extra-seasoning and the way the food is arranged on the plate. 100% this^. I'll never understand the ceaseless issues with what's offered for free and what isn't and people posting/acting as if they have a sense of entitlement for free stuff. The issue with all your other analogies is that there aren't nearly as many choices with those as there are in the MMO world. There are sooooooooo many MMOs being cranked out or simply being brought over from Asia that the users have the upper hand in this. With so many AAA games coming out this year and next, users are expecting more for less $. Supply of games are going up, demand for them....not so much. As for character customization, there are other games that I would say can compare: CoH, Aion, and Perfect World. Cryptic adopted the F2P model because it's proven to be successful if executed correctly. Turbine has been making a killing on DDO and LOTRO since those titles went free. That might be a problem though. Cryptic's F2P model is drastically different than Turbine's version. Turbine allows free users to permanently buy everything (with one-time purchases) that subscribers get. Cryptic has no plans to allow free users to buy permanent freeform slots as one-time purchases. I can see why Cryptic did this, as CO severely lacks content to be able to do Turbine's method. As for me, I don't mind too much. I've played a ton of P2P and F2P games, and most of CO's silver restrictions are comparable to other F2P games. Although, a few do bug me (so far): restricting max gold carry and restricting posting on official forums. As far as ATs, that's pretty much similar to "classes" from every other MMO out there, so it's not too bad for me. However, my biggest issue would be for Cryptic to restrict BOTH character customization and content. If they're going to restrict one, I think the other should be free for silvers (i.e. either restrict freeform or adventure packs, but not both).
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Post by stuffinator on Feb 4, 2011 5:20:08 GMT -5
In LOTRO you are restricted to a specific amount of money you can have, now thats bullcrap right there if you ask me.
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Post by KenpoJuJitsu3 on Feb 4, 2011 8:06:35 GMT -5
The issue with all your other analogies is that there aren't nearly as many choices with those as there are in the MMO world. There are sooooooooo many MMOs being cranked out or simply being brought over from Asia that the users have the upper hand in this. With so many AAA games coming out this year and next, users are expecting more for less $. Supply of games are going up, demand for them....not so much. As for character customization, there are other games that I would say can compare: CoH, Aion, and Perfect World. Actually that's not an issue with my analogies, that's pretty much the main point. No one is entitled to anything and one of the reasons why is because there are so many choices of where else to go spend the time and money. If someone doesn't like what they are getting in CO for free they can always go elsewhere and vote with their wallet and time, where as in many places if you don't like what your electric company is charging you're out of luck as they are the only game in town. Iif enough people vote that way (don't play and/or don't pay) the game will have more offered or it will simply fold...frankly, enough people did vote that way which is why the game is F2P in the first place... The other point of my analogies still stands, though anyone is welcome to try and refute it. Stop paying for any other service and then tell those companies they still should give you that service whole or in part after you've stopped paying because you "bought" it. You can't and you wouldn't.
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Post by zansatsu on Feb 4, 2011 11:24:34 GMT -5
Whatever rewards should be fine (no silver should ever complain about how small or whatever a reward might be). What matters is that the community is really embracing/accepting in the silvers. And for that I thank all the gold members Really really extremely nice community! Yeah, they're really accepting silver members alright, that's why they gave us our own forums..... not >_>
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Post by PoochieHellhound on Feb 4, 2011 11:28:34 GMT -5
Whatever rewards should be fine (no silver should ever complain about how small or whatever a reward might be). What matters is that the community is really embracing/accepting in the silvers. And for that I thank all the gold members Really really extremely nice community! Yeah, they're really accepting silver members alright, that's why they gave us our own forums..... not >_> That makes no sense whastsoever. You'd rather have no forums? Looking a gift horse in the mouth isn't healthy. I'm told they have real bad breath.
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Post by dysmetria on Feb 4, 2011 11:34:42 GMT -5
In LOTRO you are restricted to a specific amount of money you can have, now thats bullcrap right there if you ask me. We are restricted to how much we can have in this game as well. Yeah, they're really accepting silver members alright, that's why they gave us our own forums..... not >_> That makes no sense whastsoever. You'd rather have no forums? Looking a gift horse in the mouth isn't healthy. I'm told they have real bad breath. Zan is talking about how Silvers can only post about their technical and PC issues in the official forums, which doesn't make them feel very accepted by the community.
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Post by zansatsu on Feb 4, 2011 11:53:34 GMT -5
Zan is talking about how Silvers can only post about their technical and PC issues in the official forums, which doesn't make them feel very accepted by the community. Wow, someone who actually understands my point. Thanks Dysmetria, now I know I'm not alone <3
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Post by KenpoJuJitsu3 on Feb 4, 2011 11:56:57 GMT -5
Whatever rewards should be fine (no silver should ever complain about how small or whatever a reward might be). What matters is that the community is really embracing/accepting in the silvers. And for that I thank all the gold members Really really extremely nice community! Yeah, they're really accepting silver members alright, that's why they gave us our own forums..... not >_>*facepalm* The community is what prompted the creation of the forum you just posted on and the community are the ones moderating this forum and answered your questions. Zan is talking about how Silvers can only post about their technical and PC issues in the official forums, which doesn't make them feel very accepted by the community. Which still makes no sense since... A)...the community has been trying to get Silvers official forum access, and... B)...failing that, the community made this forum and... C) the community isn't the reason the silvers can't acces the official forums since the community =/= Atari & Cryptic. If anything you should feel more welcomed that the community banded together to go the extra step. Everyone could have just said forget it and spent their time doing other things than contributing to an entirely seperate forum solely for the benefit of silver players.
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Post by dysmetria on Feb 4, 2011 13:19:03 GMT -5
Yeah, they're really accepting silver members alright, that's why they gave us our own forums..... not >_> *facepalm* The community is what prompted the creation of the forum you just posted on and the community are the ones moderating this forum and answered your questions. Zan is talking about how Silvers can only post about their technical and PC issues in the official forums, which doesn't make them feel very accepted by the community. Which still makes no sense since... A)...the community has been trying to get Silvers official forum access, and... B)...failing that, the community made this forum and... C) the community isn't the reason the silvers can't acces the official forums since the community =/= Atari & Cryptic. Zan clearly wasn't talking about the community as a whole, Zan was obviously talking specifically about the developers who are not just part of the community, but the reason for it. I don't know why you and the other mod are being ignorant about this, much less jumping to the wrong conclusions. You are supposed to be policing spam and trolling, not contributing to it by facepalming or claiming posters make no sense.
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Post by KenpoJuJitsu3 on Feb 4, 2011 14:20:39 GMT -5
*facepalm* The community is what prompted the creation of the forum you just posted on and the community are the ones moderating this forum and answered your questions. Which still makes no sense since... A)...the community has been trying to get Silvers official forum access, and... B)...failing that, the community made this forum and... C) the community isn't the reason the silvers can't acces the official forums since the community =/= Atari & Cryptic. Zan clearly wasn't talking about the community as a whole, Zan was obviously talking specifically about the developers who are not just part of the community, but the reason for it. I don't know why you and the other mod are being ignorant about this, much less jumping to the wrong conclusions. You are supposed to be policing spam and trolling, not contributing to it by facepalming or claiming posters make no sense. No. It's not clear or obvious since one poster said "the community" which implies as a whole and Zan replied "they" which refers back to said community. That comment makes no sense under the context of it being posted on a forum created by and supported by said community. That's a direct observation of the comment. There is a clear and obvious difference. Do not instigate.
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Post by dysmetria on Feb 4, 2011 14:41:30 GMT -5
Zan clearly wasn't talking about the community as a whole, Zan was obviously talking specifically about the developers who are not just part of the community, but the reason for it. I don't know why you and the other mod are being ignorant about this, much less jumping to the wrong conclusions. You are supposed to be policing spam and trolling, not contributing to it by facepalming or claiming posters make no sense. No. It's not clear or obvious since one poster said "the community" which implies as a whole and Zan replied "they" which refers back to said community. That comment makes no sense under the context of it being posted on a forum created by and supported by said community. That's a direct observation of the comment. There is a clear and obvious difference. Do not instigate. It is clear because we all know which part of the community can and did choose to not allow silvers to post on their forums. It is further clear because Zan thanked me for understanding and clarifying his comment, even before you decided to admit it still made no sense to you. As for instigating, you are the one doing it, by facepalming and claiming Zan and I make no sense when we both do. Perhaps in the future if someone doesn't make sense to you, you should ignore it, not admit your ignorance and/or jump to the wrong conclusions. There is a reason why moderators are not allowed to participate in discussions in most forums. You guys aren't just making yourselves look bad but this forum as a whole.
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Post by KenpoJuJitsu3 on Feb 4, 2011 14:45:21 GMT -5
No. It's not clear or obvious since one poster said "the community" which implies as a whole and Zan replied "they" which refers back to said community. That comment makes no sense under the context of it being posted on a forum created by and supported by said community. That's a direct observation of the comment. There is a clear and obvious difference. Do not instigate. It is clear because we all know which part of the community can and did choose to not allow silvers to post on their forums. At least you are conceeding that the people at Cryptic are part of the community. As for instigating, you are the one doing it, by facepalming and claiming Zan and I make no sense when we both do. Perhaps in the future if someone doesn't make sense to you, you should ignore it, not admit your ignorance and/or jump to the wrong conclusions. There is a reason why moderators are not allowed to participate in discussions in most forums. You guys aren't just making yourselves look bad but this forum as a whole. I'm not here to argue with you over your opinions and sensibilities. If you wish to continue posting in this thread please get back to the actual topic.
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Post by dysmetria on Feb 4, 2011 14:58:48 GMT -5
The question of whether or not Crytic will give more free content to silvers will only be answered by time. My opinion is they have very little reason or incentive to do so, but I wouldn't be surprised if they toss us another free AT or two.
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Post by KenpoJuJitsu3 on Feb 4, 2011 15:03:17 GMT -5
The question of whether or not Crytic will give more free content to silvers will only be answered by time. My opinion is they have very little reason or incentive to do so, but I wouldn't be surprised if they toss us another free AT or two. The impression on the official forums is that they have been very successful with the F2P so far. So in the short term? Yeah, I agree, little incentive. In the long term? If numbers start to dwindle I can see them trying to sweeten the deal with more free stuff. From what I've seen on the official forums more free as well as special (pay for) AT's are in the works.
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Post by poopyhead on Feb 4, 2011 19:43:56 GMT -5
The issue with all your other analogies is that there aren't nearly as many choices with those as there are in the MMO world. There are sooooooooo many MMOs being cranked out or simply being brought over from Asia that the users have the upper hand in this. With so many AAA games coming out this year and next, users are expecting more for less $. Supply of games are going up, demand for them....not so much. As for character customization, there are other games that I would say can compare: CoH, Aion, and Perfect World. Actually that's not an issue with my analogies, that's pretty much the main point. No one is entitled to anything and one of the reasons why is because there are so many choices of where else to go spend the time and money. You're thinking of this issue from the wrong perspective. Cryptic's view should be the users are entitled to whatever is needed to keep them playing this game over every other game simply because there are so many choices. Given their issues with playerbase, clearly the users are entitled to more if they want to keep people playing. Technically, you are correct in that no player is entitled to anything, but the caveat is that no one would be playing CO. So clearly the bottom line is that Cryptic needs to figure out what population they're happy with and then provide whatever is needed to get that many players to continue to play CO over any other current MMO and future ones.
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