|
Post by ashen on Feb 2, 2011 22:56:08 GMT -5
Roxstar has a point here, but there is something to keep in mind. The amount he quotes is the equivalent of about a year of subscription fees (assuming one of the $10 per month plans). How long does an average player subscribe to the same game ? I believe that you'll find that Cryptic could break even with the average customer, while the long term fan would be inclined to continue to subscribe to have access to more free-form slots, new adventure packs, new costume sets, etc. And, while breaking even with the average customer, Cryptic would come out way ahead with the FtP community. People that are not willing to subscribe to a game, but are perfectly willing to pay for MT's (even MT's that arent really so micro ;D) would be buying something that they cant now. Honestly the only area where I see a definate negative is in the sales of true LTS. Spending $300 when you could get som much of what an LTS offers for significantly less might be a turn-off for many. On the other hand I expect that LTS are a relatively rare purchase compared to normal subs and MT's, and so their loss, while increasing MT's significantly, would not be much of a problem. DISCLAIMER: I dont have access to Cryptic's data sheets and the like, so all of this is guesswork. NO...you must be for redistribution of wealth too right? Cryptic needs income. This does not give them that income. Most people aren't as altoholic as you may think. They'll purchase this and all the gold costume sets, adventures, travel powers, and ATs for a total of about $125. Add your $20 - $30 bucks and they basically have the same thing a lifetimer gets for around half the price. How does that benefit Cryptic in any way? Sure they can add on another toon but that's still not even close to a lifetime sub. These would have to be marked over $100 for Cryptic to make enough and no one would ever buy that. Sorry, it's just not a good model. What Cryptic has put in place now is going to work out just fine. Just watch.
|
|
|
Post by Kieran on Feb 3, 2011 0:47:19 GMT -5
I think this is where alot of people are getting confused. You cant take something "away" from someone unless they had it to begin with. F2P launched with silver players being limited to archetypes, so no one who has created a new free character has had anything taken away with them. Now, would it be nice to have more options? Of course! But that doesnt change the fact of what I just said. Fair enough. "Denied" would be a better word then instead of "taken away". I know most silvers are new to the game and as such, I do not think we are experienced enough to be able to fully enjoy Free Form. I have a friend log in for the first time last night and his biggest problem was that he was too zoomed in. We could probably ask for the free form once the silvers get enough experience on their own because otherwise, people would just be asking people for what is best to this, what fits into what - basically just an archetype determined by player's experiences. In that case, were Free-Forms offered in the C-Store, new Silver members could simply not purchase them. That way, those who are content with Archetypes or aren't skilled enough for Archetypes could stick with Archetypes, while those who do research and are familiar with the game could buy Free-Forms. I've seen no silvers in these forums nor in the PC and Technical issues forum on the official CO website claiming such a thing. I've received a number of PMs from Silver's who have missed the point and think I'm asking for more free stuff. I also see it a lot on zone chat in-game. Most silvers haven't played freeform characters or even know what they are. To be honest, I've spoken with many new Silver members who knew perfectly well what Free-Form characters are. I've also spoken with many who came into the game knowing what they were, and I've spoken with many who quickly learned, in-game, the reason why characters belonging to Gold members were noticeably more powerful than those of Silver members.
|
|
|
Post by zansatsu on Feb 3, 2011 6:30:27 GMT -5
If we put it like this instead, ANY gold member who sees this, try out a silver account and we'll see for how long you'll enjoy your half-customizable character with a worthless archetype and you might actually get the point.
I'm not saying that I should have access to everything as a silver member, but everything the customization has to offer would be nice, considering the archetypes worthlessness, seriously, is there any subscriber who actually plays an archetype? To answer that, we need a simple no, tried one maybe but they wouldn't keep playing it.
Why? Because archetypes simply suck.
|
|
|
Post by stuffinator on Feb 3, 2011 7:19:46 GMT -5
If we put it like this instead, ANY gold member who sees this, try out a silver account and we'll see for how long you'll enjoy your half-customizable character with a worthless archetype and you might actually get the point. I'm not saying that I should have access to everything as a silver member, but everything the customization has to offer would be nice, considering the archetypes worthlessness, seriously, is there any subscriber who actually plays an archetype? To answer that, we need a simple no, tried one maybe but they wouldn't keep playing it. Why? Because archetypes simply suck. it's free and people have fun with AT's and as long as it stays that way, nothing much will change. also I as a silver player am happy that I can play the game for free regardless of whether I can build free form characters or not.
|
|
|
Post by melkathi on Feb 3, 2011 7:34:40 GMT -5
If we put it like this instead, ANY gold member who sees this, try out a silver account and we'll see for how long you'll enjoy your half-customizable character with a worthless archetype and you might actually get the point. I'm not saying that I should have access to everything as a silver member, but everything the customization has to offer would be nice, considering the archetypes worthlessness, seriously, is there any subscriber who actually plays an archetype? To answer that, we need a simple no, tried one maybe but they wouldn't keep playing it. Why? Because archetypes simply suck. Interesting. I am one of those gold players who are actually playing archetype characters. There are a lot of gold players doing so. Especially for PvP.
|
|
|
Post by PoochieHellhound on Feb 3, 2011 8:08:50 GMT -5
If we put it like this instead, ANY gold member who sees this, try out a silver account and we'll see for how long you'll enjoy your half-customizable character with a worthless archetype and you might actually get the point. I'm not saying that I should have access to everything as a silver member, but everything the customization has to offer would be nice, considering the archetypes worthlessness, seriously, is there any subscriber who actually plays an archetype? To answer that, we need a simple no, tried one maybe but they wouldn't keep playing it. Why? Because archetypes simply suck. I had a Silver account during a large part of the Beta. I never found the limitations hard to deal with, and that was while subscribed, playing characters I wouldn't even keep. I have no idea what you are talking about. I still like the game for the fast-paced action and the superhero theme, as always. But then again, I'm a pretty casual gamer.
|
|
|
Post by KenpoJuJitsu3 on Feb 3, 2011 9:12:46 GMT -5
100% everything Roxstar has posted in this thread so far.
|
|
|
Post by Roxstar on Feb 3, 2011 10:48:17 GMT -5
If we put it like this instead, ANY gold member who sees this, try out a silver account and we'll see for how long you'll enjoy your half-customizable character with a worthless archetype and you might actually get the point. I'm not saying that I should have access to everything as a silver member, but everything the customization has to offer would be nice, considering the archetypes worthlessness, seriously, is there any subscriber who actually plays an archetype? To answer that, we need a simple no, tried one maybe but they wouldn't keep playing it. Why? Because archetypes simply suck. But why would a gold member downground to a silver. Isn't the whole reason they're subscribed is because they ARE willing to pay? That seems like a silly request. EDIT: and yeah...what poochiehellhound said
|
|
|
Post by stuffinator on Feb 3, 2011 10:56:53 GMT -5
But why would a gold member downground to a silver. Isn't the whole reason they're subscribed is because they ARE willing to pay? Maybe when someone is short on money.
|
|
|
Post by Admin on Feb 3, 2011 10:57:50 GMT -5
If we put it like this instead, ANY gold member who sees this, try out a silver account and we'll see for how long you'll enjoy your half-customizable character with a worthless archetype and you might actually get the point. I'm not saying that I should have access to everything as a silver member, but everything the customization has to offer would be nice, considering the archetypes worthlessness, seriously, is there any subscriber who actually plays an archetype? To answer that, we need a simple no, tried one maybe but they wouldn't keep playing it. Why? Because archetypes simply suck. Actually, although I temporarily have a gold account, the characters I'm playing are archetypes(behemoth and blade) and I'm enjoying them very much
|
|
|
Post by PoochieHellhound on Feb 3, 2011 12:35:57 GMT -5
I think the notion that Archetypes are less fun is very subjective and opinion based. If you want to be the best you want to be, and that is your definition of fun, then Archetypes may seem less fun. But I (And apparently some other Golds too) are having fun playing Archetypes. And I'm sure Silvers can, too. It's a matter of opinion.
Which is what this whole thread is about. It's a lot of "I think"'s and a lot of "Probably"'s being thrown around, sometimes trying to be facts, but after all, this whole notion is a matter of opinion and what one think is best.
Hopefully it can stay that way without degrading into a flame war between nay-sayers and yay-sayers.
|
|
|
Post by Roxstar on Feb 3, 2011 13:04:48 GMT -5
Which is what this whole thread is about. It's a lot of "I think"'s and a lot of "Probably"'s being thrown around, sometimes trying to be facts, but after all, this whole notion is a matter of opinion and what one think is best. Pffft. I don't think. I know. ;D
|
|
|
Post by PoochieHellhound on Feb 3, 2011 14:29:50 GMT -5
Which is what this whole thread is about. It's a lot of "I think"'s and a lot of "Probably"'s being thrown around, sometimes trying to be facts, but after all, this whole notion is a matter of opinion and what one think is best. Pffft. I don't think. I know. ;D Then this ain't the thread for you
|
|
|
Post by Admin on Feb 3, 2011 22:24:13 GMT -5
Fair enough. "Denied" would be a better word then instead of "taken away". As far as I'm aware, every F2P game that uses this hybrid model denies certain aspects of gameplay to free players. For example, in LOTRO "monster play"(which is like a mini faction) is exclusive to subscribers and is not available for purchase in the store.
|
|
|
Post by Zed Brightlander on Feb 4, 2011 0:39:58 GMT -5
Which is what this whole thread is about. It's a lot of "I think"'s and a lot of "Probably"'s being thrown around, sometimes trying to be facts, but after all, this whole notion is a matter of opinion and what one think is best. Pffft. I don't think. I know. ;D Someone been watching the Three Stooges. ;D Nyuk-nyuk-nyuk.
|
|