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Post by thumpe on Feb 20, 2011 16:44:29 GMT -5
Cryptic is planning to sell in C-store the ability to change your archetype, coming soon.
I spent a lot of money buying all blue (rare) lvl 40 gears in auction house for my Behemoth. So the obvious choice is the Savage, because they share the same super stats.
Reason I like the savage is because it has a passive and an active healing powers, while Behemoth has none. Although I never play a Savage, I need opinions of people that did.
How do the Savage fair against the Behemoth in pve and pvp? I do pretty good in pvp as Behemoth, but I bet in pve Savage is better because they can heal, critical for boss battles. Then again, it's just a thought, no experience with savage.
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Post by kiljaedenas on Feb 21, 2011 18:09:08 GMT -5
The few times I've encoutered a Savage in PvP as a Behemoth, unless they have supporting fire from friends they get slaughtered. It was Zombie Apocalypse, perhaps he was on the lower end of the level range, I don't know. But I brought down his health a lot faster than he brought down mine.
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Post by GammaBreaker on Feb 22, 2011 11:21:07 GMT -5
The Savage has a distinct weakness to spike damage. Regeneration is a steady influx of health, but provides zero defense. So a Savage that eats repeated shots of spike damage will fold in short order. On the other hand, they survive extremely well under sustained pressure, and in any situation where they can't be spiked to death will probably last longer than an un-supported Behemoth.
The Behemoth packs more aggressive spikes, and falling damage on players, henchmen, and villains counts for a lot of damage (Roomsweeper, haymaker, uppercut). While less vulnerable to spikes if Defiance is ranked up and/or already stacked up, they will cave under pressure eventually. As soon as you toss some healing into the mix, the Behemoth will have a tremendously improved lifespan.
Ultimately, the Savage works well with a lazy playstyle, and can tank just fine in PVE as long as you're good at blocking shtick attacks. PVP, I'm not so sure. PVP tends to emphasize spikes, which the Savage is weak to. I'm sure that they're quite capable in the hands of the right player, though. Just a different approach and playstyle, and different vulnerabilities.
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Post by thumpe on Feb 22, 2011 16:47:34 GMT -5
Isn't the savage suppose to have higher single target damage than Behemoth who is a protector role. Guardians suppose to have higher dps than protector right?
And Savage can always run away with travel power or teleport away and heal up in little time.
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Post by GammaBreaker on Feb 22, 2011 17:45:10 GMT -5
Yes, the Savage will be able to recover by breaking away from a fight long enough to get some ticks of Regeneration going. A Behemoth does not have that luxury.
As for DPS, I'm not sure which will win out. Simple fact is that Might attacks do a LOT of damage, and the knockback will finish the job on Henchmen and Villains. Master Villains can be knocked, but do not take fall damage. Super Villains, Legendaries, and Cosmics are generally knock-immune, and Might attacks that knock do bonus damage VS knock-immune enemies. So against high end bosses, Might becomes even more damaging.
Massacre is very powerful and should compete quite well, as it is faster and less expensive than Haymaker (but hits for less) and does more damage than Uppercut (but costs more). I am unsure if the knock-immune bonus on high end bosses makes the Behemoth pull ahead of the Savage. Supernatural Power also helps the Savage keeps its energy flowing.
Honestly, they should both do very impressive damage when set up right.
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Post by jaguar78 on Feb 23, 2011 9:25:01 GMT -5
Hi guys!
Im playing a savage, lvl 32, and i must say...IT ROCKS! Both in pve and pvp.
About the topic title, i must say it depends. I usually win all 1x1 fights against other archetypes (it takes more than 5 min to beat an experienced glacier) . But, when we talk about the behemoth and the blade(dont know now, after thunderbolt lounge fix), it will depend of the expertise of the player in pvp. In most cases, i win.
In bleeding targets, Massacre+blood mess+supernatural power = can make an incredible spammable dmg output!
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Post by tkolter on Feb 23, 2011 19:12:10 GMT -5
My choice was simple I play a HUGE Qualari Royal Hive Prince called The Inhumanoid that well is a giant fat muscular bug Behemoth just fit him.
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Post by hollthulhu on Feb 28, 2011 15:57:35 GMT -5
I kill Savages easy as my Behemoth, PvP-wise.
PvE-wise, I am a lot better also and can dish out and take more damage effectively as Behemoth.
Savage is a knock-off of the Super-human/Behemoth build.. and honestly, I have yet to figure out why they added it as an AT (that you have to BUY at that), and made it so ... not boom-boom.
Then again, I am my own person and my game skills may be way above the other people I encounter, I always take that into account when playing a game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 16:45:14 GMT -5
I kill Savages easy as my Behemoth, PvP-wise. PvE-wise, I am a lot better also and can dish out and take more damage effectively as Behemoth. Savage is a knock-off of the Super-human/Behemoth build.. and honestly, I have yet to figure out why they added it as an AT (that you have to BUY at that), and made it so ... not boom-boom. Then again, I am my own person and my game skills may be way above the other people I encounter, I always take that into account when playing a game. The Savage is an offshoot of the Supernatural: Bestial powerset. It's got a price tag due to it's well-balanced Guardian role, massive self healing and subsequent low difficulty. Same deal with The Void and The Specialist although their healing isn't as great as Savage they still have an easier time with most of the game. |
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Post by hollthulhu on Feb 28, 2011 16:50:05 GMT -5
I kill Savages easy as my Behemoth, PvP-wise. PvE-wise, I am a lot better also and can dish out and take more damage effectively as Behemoth. Savage is a knock-off of the Super-human/Behemoth build.. and honestly, I have yet to figure out why they added it as an AT (that you have to BUY at that), and made it so ... not boom-boom. Then again, I am my own person and my game skills may be way above the other people I encounter, I always take that into account when playing a game. The Savage is an offshoot of the Supernatural: Bestial powerset. It's got a price tag due to it's well-balanced Guardian role, massive self healing and subsequent low difficulty. Same deal with The Void and The Specialist although their healing isn't as great as Savage they still have an easier time with most of the game. Hm, well I guess. There's just a ton of similarities. Also the part about them being "easier".. well, I think they are all pretty easy (the pre-mades).. but that's because they focus on something specific and don't give much room for someone to gimp themselves. Their Regen ability is kinda nice, but from what I have seen of the Savage, it is its replacement for something similar to Behemoth's Defense.. which I would rather have than Regen.  |
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Post by thumpe on Feb 28, 2011 21:59:08 GMT -5
Well I just got the werewolf device with powers just like teh savage except resurgence and supernatural power.
It seems the gears won't matter, because I was given a fixed set of stats when I turned wolf. But it's decent, but my gears are better.
I do pwn as the Behemoth in hero games and duels due to knocks and fall dmg etc. But in pve, my werewolf is better, I just block and wait for heal up, I can solo tank legendary, my Behemoth can't.
The dps is higher than behemoth, not including fall dmg.
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Post by jaguar78 on Mar 1, 2011 8:40:17 GMT -5
I kill Savages easy as my Behemoth, PvP-wise. PvE-wise, I am a lot better also and can dish out and take more damage effectively as Behemoth. Savage is a knock-off of the Super-human/Behemoth build.. and honestly, I have yet to figure out why they added it as an AT (that you have to BUY at that), and made it so ... not boom-boom. Then again, I am my own person and my game skills may be way above the other people I encounter, I always take that into account when playing a game. Hmmm u must be good! i would like to face ur behemoth 1x1 with my savage, when we both are 40! If u dont mind, of course ;D |
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