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Post by romulan on Jan 26, 2011 2:02:12 GMT -5
Does anyone know how fun / powerful either of these two premium archtypes is? I don't know enough about the game to really "get" how things are likely to work.
I wanted a fun AoE character for open missions and soloing normal missions; is The Specialist good for those things? Is the blend of ranged and melee attacks a bad thing?
I also wanted a second character that's melee-focused, crazy, and fun. The Savage sounds good for the health regeneration and decent melee damage, but I just don't know how well that regeneration works.
Anyone have an opinion on either (or both) of these? I'm considering purchasing one of them for my silver account. Thanks!
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Post by melkathi on Jan 26, 2011 4:20:59 GMT -5
I have not played the savage much myself. Enough people in the beta were testing him and I looked at other things (and then forgot). It is, as I hear from the others, a very good, survivable character. Regen always had a strong following among players, with some picking it on every (freeform) character. Specialist I have played only up to the early teens and the one I created on Live is still sitting in the tutorial to help new arrivals. I have enjoyed the archetype so far, cannot yet give you a detailed account though. I do not know how "awesome" it is, but it is a very "fun" character to play. I hear good things from others though and I enjoy Lightning Reflexes on a couple of characters already (and I do remember right that Specialist gets Lightning Reflexes, right?). Sorry I can't help more. Have to rush to the bank and hope it is not too crowded
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Post by jestersmiles on Jan 26, 2011 5:08:35 GMT -5
Can't help here either playing the Grimoire and it such a blast.
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Post by KenpoJuJitsu3 on Jan 26, 2011 8:32:06 GMT -5
Does anyone know how fun / powerful either of these two premium archtypes is? I don't know enough about the game to really "get" how things are likely to work. I wanted a fun AoE character for open missions and soloing normal missions; is The Specialist good for those things? Is the blend of ranged and melee attacks a bad thing? I also wanted a second character that's melee-focused, crazy, and fun. The Savage sounds good for the health regeneration and decent melee damage, but I just don't know how well that regeneration works. Anyone have an opinion on either (or both) of these? I'm considering purchasing one of them for my silver account. Thanks! I think they are both solid and fun builds. I'd personally lean towards the Specialist in the fun department (I'm biased, I love Lead Tempest) but I think the Savage will be easier for you to get used to the game with on account of it having regeneration.
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Post by GammaBreaker on Jan 26, 2011 9:13:46 GMT -5
The savage is very solo-friendly due to being equipped with Regeneration. It will generally allow you to fight all but the toughest enemies (or largest crowds of smaller ones) non-stop. Massacre is a potent single-target attack, and Frenzy is an effective AOE (although you have to mash the button a lot for that one). This was one of the more popular archetypes during beta for a good reason.
The Specialist is a unique mix of ranged and melee. Two-Gun Mojo is a mobile attack, so you can start firing it as you approach your enemy. By the time you get to them they should be weakened a good deal. Once inside Melee, you'll want to use Blade Tempest or Eye of the Storm to clear out groups of weak enemies. Eye of the Storm has the bonus of also increasing your defenses for a time.
On stronger targets at melee range, Bullet Beatdown is a potent attack. Bullet Beatdown can be made even more potent by picking up the advantage "Not Without Incident." This gives it a chance to trigger an AOE on each hit of the combo at a 30% chance. If you're Enraged the chance goes up to 100%! So each hit of Bullet Beatdown you'll be unloading a vicious point-blank AOE. And what gives you Enraged? Two Gun Mojo!
This archetype also has access to Holdout Shot, which can be advantaged with Stim Pack -- Stim Pack heals you, making it a very valuable ability.
Eventually the Specialist gets Lead Tempest, which is a great and powerful AOE that you'll love for clearing out trash.
So, they're both very solid. The Specialist has more intricate synergies, and in my opinion, the more rewarding playstyle. The Savage is still very solid though, and its passive means you'll probably be able to have a more relaxed playstyle.
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Post by ashen on Jan 26, 2011 11:56:21 GMT -5
The specialist has teh potential to be one of the most potent AoE AT's in the game. Bullet Beatdown, with the, "Not without Incident," advantage, combined with the ability to generate a stack of, "Enraged," with Two Gun Mojo, is phenomenal DPS.
Lead Tempest, if I recall correctly, is the only AoE in the game without a cap on the mx number of targets it can hit.
The Savage is very close to one of my Free Form builds. Its survivability cannot be stressed enough. The constant knocks, via Massacre, mean the ability to stand toe to toe with some of the hardest hitting foes you will face. This AT has a lot of duelling potential as well as great PVE. I am not personally fond of its AoE, primarily due to it being reliant on fast spamming of lower damage rather than a slower, bigger hit. It gets the job done, well, but is a lot of spamming.
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Post by erulo on Jan 26, 2011 12:05:24 GMT -5
after a look at the powers of the special AT´s, for me - it looks like as if they are much stronger then the free ones
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Post by GammaBreaker on Jan 26, 2011 12:41:38 GMT -5
after a look at the powers of the special AT´s, for me - it looks like as if they are much stronger then the free ones The Behemoth is immensely powerful at max level. I tested one in a full selection of blue gear during Beta, and the damage it put out was on par (or perhaps a bit higher) than my freeform electric-might. There are a couple ATs that could use further tweaking, but most of them stand on their own two feet. I was a little miffed when the Savage was made into a Premium AT, but they're all solid in their own right. The early levels just tend to be kind of rough on them. Most come into being reasonable around level 14 to 17. The Blade can be vicious in PVP due to current knock and hold mechanics, if you pick its advantages and play it right. It's probably one of the most lop-sided ATs, because it's rough at low levels, but gains intense control and offense later on.
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Post by romulan on Jan 26, 2011 15:29:17 GMT -5
This is all fantastic feedback, thank you all for the great and detailed replies. It sounds like I'll be picking one of them up (and maybe both of them). The Savage sounds like my "I just want to take it easy" choice and The Specialist sounds like the fun AoE + flexibility choice.
Lots to consider! Thanks!
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Post by ashen on Jan 26, 2011 15:31:21 GMT -5
after a look at the powers of the special AT´s, for me - it looks like as if they are much stronger then the free ones Part of what leads to that perception is that both of the special AT's are balanced stance with a defensive passive. On the other hand the Glacier has amazing potential in PvP. The Inferno has so much damage output that its crazy. The Marksman is my favorite. The ability to play an offensive role character with all of the damage that implies, along with great Crowd Control, and available advantages to give you defenses nearly on a par with a defensive passive. The Behemoth is tough, and hits hard. I'm not as familiar with the Blade, but I do know, as Gamma said, that it has serious shutdown capabilities in PvP.
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