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Post by maxidanny on Feb 28, 2011 3:07:30 GMT -5
Until they allow converted silvers to go gold, then go back to silver, I have no reason to go gold. I did buy swing and specalist, but don't see anything else I 'had to have' in the store. I agree, not "enough" perks for gold members. Nothing to convince me to keep paying every month. I totally agree, i have the same opinion, why bother goyng gold....i can get whatever i want from the cash shop, and i dont need freeform so? |
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Post by stuffinator on Feb 28, 2011 4:36:45 GMT -5
Until they allow converted silvers to go gold, then go back to silver, I have no reason to go gold. as far as I know that only applies if you recon your character via silver to gold convert. if you convert your silver character and you don't change it to another archetype or free form you can convert the character back to silver. however, be sure to check that first before making a decision. @topic Even though AT's are inferior compared to free-form, there are a lot of players who totally ruin their free-form characters or who like to roleplay and don't give a damn about how effective the character is in PvP f.e. I've beaten quite a lot free-form players in pvp with my glacier. And if you don't like fighting against free-forms you can always chose AT only PvP. Another thing I wanted to add is that some of my friends prefer Archetypes, because they like playing more than customizing. And having to think about how to skill the character is not something they want to spend time on. Of course they could always use guides, but thats not in their interest either. And if you really want to compare Guild Wars to Champions Online you should not only focus on stuff that makes Guild Wars better. You criticize CO for being instanced, while GW is even more instanced. Instances except cities or outposts are limited to 8 or 12 players (if I remember corectly) in GW, while in CO I could hunt down grond with 50, 60 or even more players. Sure there are instances in CO that are limited to groups and therefore are limited to a few amount of players, but I don't feel all alone when traveling through desert or millenium city like I do in GW, traveling from one city to another. I lost interest in GW after 2-3 weeks and in my opinion Everquest is still the best MMORPG out there, but as cradock said thats off-topic and shouldn't be discussed here. |
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Post by mirth on Feb 28, 2011 17:33:46 GMT -5
I wanted to keep my specialist, go gold and continue to level them up, then after my game card expired (2 months) take her back to silver, but they don't make this process easy, or clear if its even possible. Its like they want you to go gold and stay there, or stay silver yielding to temptation every once in a while and spend a few dollars. There is no place for "inbetween".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 19:24:49 GMT -5
I wanted to keep my specialist, go gold and continue to level them up, then after my game card expired (2 months) take her back to silver, but they don't make this process easy, or clear if its even possible. Its like they want you to go gold and stay there, or stay silver yielding to temptation every once in a while and spend a few dollars. There is no place for "inbetween". You hit the nail on the head. |
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Post by stuffinator on Mar 1, 2011 2:59:05 GMT -5
I got a 60 days gamecard pretty cheap a few days ago and when converted my mind to a free-form character I got a warning message saying something like: "If you want to convert you character from Archetype to Free-Form you have to do a full retcon. You can only retcon your character once via convert. If you want to retcon your character now you wont be able to convert your character back to silver." So I guess that doesn't count if you convert your character without changing the Archetype. But as I said, it's just a guess. Edit: made a screenshot  This message only appears if you convert an archetype character to a free form. |
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Post by foxstrife83 on Mar 1, 2011 6:30:37 GMT -5
Alot of Turbine talk kicking about these forums...
Coming from DDO to CO, I was expecting similar ways of the cash shop being implemented. I was kinda sadden by my discovery but also rejoiced.
Both games have there own way of implementing the fact that they want you to buy the game time. (DDO locks half the game up while CO locks up Free Form)
I think the one thing that had me bummed coming off of DDO was the lack of not being able to "work" for cash shop currency in CO. This formula of f2p i think would help entice players by giving them the ability to nibble a little bit at the cake before shelling out for the good stuff. As mentioned though in another thread, that the Devs mentioned it as "more of a unlimited free trial*" then a sure shot f2p game.
Me personally, I am waiting to get a toon to end lvl and see what is in store before I invest any money into a new game company, and if so, i will sub as paying À la carte to me seems a tad expensive.
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Post by tkolter on Mar 1, 2011 12:01:58 GMT -5
To make money but this IS f2p I never expected it to be as good as if I paid monthly or for life. If you look at other coverted games these are better than INTENTIONAL f2p just look at LoTR online its awesome f2p and so is Champions. Both started for pay to play.
And I solo very well the characters have to be played properly and you need to plan sometimes - like my Soldier. But you have your ups and downs that is normal for all characters.
Its still FREE and pretty flexible in basic archetypes.
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Post by poopyhead on Mar 3, 2011 22:44:55 GMT -5
Actually, I added everything in the shop up, and the total price came out to $120-$150 for everything an LTS has aside from Free-Forms. Just wanted to make sure you included the same number of character slots as LTS, as well as unlocking everything on each of those character slots? Did you include all the auction house slots and special travel powers for each character? Don't forget LTS will also get 400 points/month indefinitely....how far in the future did you factor that in? You should also at least factor in the next adventure pack, but I'm pretty sure majority of the new content will not be free for silvers. Silvers also don't get access to vet rewards or that VIP lounge either. For some reason, your price estimation seems a bit low, but that could just be me. |
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Post by poopyhead on Mar 3, 2011 22:49:10 GMT -5
And if you really want to compare Guild Wars to Champions Online you should not only focus on stuff that makes Guild Wars better. You criticize CO for being instanced, while GW is even more instanced. Instances except cities or outposts are limited to 8 or 12 players (if I remember corectly) in GW, while in CO I could hunt down grond with 50, 60 or even more players. Sure there are instances in CO that are limited to groups and therefore are limited to a few amount of players, but I don't feel all alone when traveling through desert or millenium city like I do in GW, traveling from one city to another. GW2 will remain B2P and will be persistent, rather than instanced. So, the comparison should be between CO and the upcoming GW2 because I can tell you many people will at least be thinking about it, especially given no subscription fees. Lets see how CO responds. |
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Post by Admin on Mar 3, 2011 23:25:15 GMT -5
And if you really want to compare Guild Wars to Champions Online you should not only focus on stuff that makes Guild Wars better. You criticize CO for being instanced, while GW is even more instanced. Instances except cities or outposts are limited to 8 or 12 players (if I remember corectly) in GW, while in CO I could hunt down grond with 50, 60 or even more players. Sure there are instances in CO that are limited to groups and therefore are limited to a few amount of players, but I don't feel all alone when traveling through desert or millenium city like I do in GW, traveling from one city to another. GW2 will remain B2P and will be persistent, rather than instanced. So, the comparison should be between CO and the upcoming GW2 because I can tell you many people will at least be thinking about it, especially given no subscription fees. Lets see how CO responds. The great thing about F2P games is you dont have to give up 1 to play another. So even if some people happen to like GW2 better than Champs, thats no reason to actually stop playing Champs for free. And people who are playing it for free are likely to continue making minor purchases here and there when something comes out that they want. |
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Post by stuffinator on Mar 4, 2011 2:58:46 GMT -5
looking forward to GW2.
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Post by poopyhead on Mar 4, 2011 5:11:09 GMT -5
The great thing about F2P games is you dont have to give up 1 to play another. So even if some people happen to like GW2 better than Champs, thats no reason to actually stop playing Champs for free. And people who are playing it for free are likely to continue making minor purchases here and there when something comes out that they want. I think that really only applies to hardcore gamers with tons of time on their hands. If someone doesn't have much time to play one MMO, then two MMOs at the same time will be out of the question. Jumping to the next train of thought, people with money to burn on games most likely will be working to make that money in the first place, so their MMO time will likely not be that much to begin with. I know for me personally, I'm really not into splitting up my time too thin between multiple MMOs. It really slows down the progression on both games when that happens. Of course, there are also people who like doing that, but then again, would that person be willing to spend money on a game that they're not spending much time with? I do hope Cryptic's approach is "we're making CO better and cheaper than the new AAA MMOs coming out," rather than "hey, CO is free, so you can play it when you're taking a break from the new AAA MMOs." |
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Post by Admin on Mar 4, 2011 9:45:26 GMT -5
The great thing about F2P games is you dont have to give up 1 to play another. So even if some people happen to like GW2 better than Champs, thats no reason to actually stop playing Champs for free. And people who are playing it for free are likely to continue making minor purchases here and there when something comes out that they want. I think that really only applies to hardcore gamers with tons of time on their hands. If someone doesn't have much time to play one MMO, then two MMOs at the same time will be out of the question. Jumping to the next train of thought, people with money to burn on games most likely will be working to make that money in the first place, so their MMO time will likely not be that much to begin with. I know for me personally, I'm really not into splitting up my time too thin between multiple MMOs. It really slows down the progression on both games when that happens. Of course, there are also people who like doing that, but then again, would that person be willing to spend money on a game that they're not spending much time with? I do hope Cryptic's approach is "we're making CO better and cheaper than the new AAA MMOs coming out," rather than "hey, CO is free, so you can play it when you're taking a break from the new AAA MMOs." Most of your post is just personal preference, so I wont disagree with any of that as it is neither "right" or "wrong". But to respond to the last part, the new State of the Game they just posted sounds like they are headed in the right direction  |
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Post by canoas on Mar 18, 2011 12:36:22 GMT -5
Archetypes aren't so bad and they manage to do their job. You shouldn't have any problems leveling if you make potions in with your profession (or w/e it's called) and you can experience the whole game. I completely disagree with the OP's opinion.
The only thing I don't like about silver accounts is the that there's no option to buy a freeform character slot, like plenty of people already suggested. I mean, I would love to have a freeform character but I can live without it since archetypes are good enough to enjoy the game.
Regarding the gold player subscription, 13€ is too much money if all we want is a freeform. Gold membership offers too much stuff we don't need and too little of what we actually do want, and that's why there aren't more subscribers.
I couldn't care less about the clothes and equipments, most of them I won't even use.
I love the fact that they made the game free, but please add a freeform option to silvers.
Actually, one thing I'd like even more is the option to change the power colour. My mind archetype is stuck with girlish looking powers = /
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Post by knowledge3754 on Mar 22, 2011 14:43:34 GMT -5
hmmm, if they could keep the options as simple to understand as possible, a cheaper subscription plan or two might not be a bad idea...
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