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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2012 4:48:54 GMT -5
Not in my opinion, Defile is your highest damage single target attack, that much is true, but Epidemic is your highest DPS you can inflict on a single target, given my build which focus on crits.
In the longer run crit maintains should out DPS charged attacks. Having Plague Bearer will only compound DPS on top of your epidemic which is also in addition to the debuff from Defile and the stacks of deadly poison you get from Epidemic. Spamming Defile on a single target just doesn't come close.
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Post by higirls on May 23, 2012 9:59:02 GMT -5
I'm positive defile has higher single target dps than epidemic. I can't give you any numbers though- the dmg per tick from epidemic is not constant and I can't really bother to measure how it scales exactly.
I do use epidemic against single targets, but only until they get 10 stacks of poison; then I use defile, and a tap of infernal blast from time to time to refresh the stacks.
I should also mention my build is not as crit focused as yours.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2012 20:12:01 GMT -5
Well, I've never done the maths either, so I'm not positively sure, but let's give this a try and see if the numbers can benefit build tweaking.
Based on my base numbers of all rank 3s Epidemic 443-903 and Defile 1475-5241.
Based on pulse is not an inconsistent range, it means an increment per tick from 443 on the 1st tick to the last tick which will be 903 (based on mine).
From my Avenger spec tree, Defile benefits from an alpha strike while Epidemic gains a +12% all damage strength from offense (~5% actual) due to Relentless Assualt after the 1st 5 ticks and this lasts long enough to increase your Defile whenever you use it every 15s for the DoT. And after the 3rd Epidemic you get 9% extra damage for further Epidemic spams from Round 'Em Up.
I'm ignoring Plague Bearer in calculations and simply comparing DPS of spamming Epidemic and Defile based on build and spec tree alone, and assuming the minimum of 35% crit chance and 70% severity and based on my build.
Epidemic:
443-903
462-940 (Relentless Assault)
503-1024 (Round 'Em Up)
340 (0.5s of 10 stacks of Deadly Poison from base 68/s)
843-1364
1104 (per 0.5s tick average)
Defile:
1475-5241 (2.4s charge and activation)
(-12% toxic resistance still depends on how high the damage resistance of the target, it's not a clear cut damage increase and I can't calculate it)
1092 (full charge divided into 0.5s DPS)
Factoring 35% crit chance:
Epidemic: 1394 (0.5s at 3/8 crit ticks)
Defile: 1347 (0.5s at 1/3 crit charge)
The thing with percentages/probability, is you need a large sample size to even it out. A maintain gives you that resulting in a more consistent number of crits where a charge can vary from good to very bad DPS when you are just not critting. You don't need every tick of a maintain to crit, just part of the ticks to give you high DPS and the chances are more likely. And with a crit build the numbers between Epidemic and Defile draws further apart, because crits on Epidemic even out faster to the crit chance that you have.
Consider the activation time on charge attacks, the latency between your own powers combos and the advantages between using a single/AOE attack and do with this data what you will to maximise your DPS. After all, it's all about your own play style, nobody's powers rotation needs to be the same.
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Post by higirls on May 24, 2012 4:44:19 GMT -5
I see you factored 10 stacks of deadly poisons only in the epidemic calculation; I tried using the numbers you provided to calculate the dps from my power rotation -I use 3 defile charges, then an infernal blast tap to refresh the poison I apply in the beginning with epidemic- and the result is around 1130, a bit higher but pretty much in the same range (I lose 0.67 secs of defile dps for refreshing the stacks). And I didn't factor in the fact that I actually need to use my eb from time to time. So in the end the dps result of my rotation is very similar if not slightly inferior. I like this rotation because the 100 ft. range helps avoiding AoE attacks from bosses, but now I will definitely consider spamming epidemic whenever I feel like keeping things simple. Thanks a lot for doing the whole number crunching  I'll stick to defile r3 though; with tons of damage over time from the stacks of poison and pestilence, a bit more passive damage just doesn't seem as useful as the big r3 spike ;D |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 5:18:11 GMT -5
I can't factor in Deadly Poison in Defile when comparing the 2 powers alone, that will skew the comparison. Personal power rotation is another matter, am I right?
Likewise if I rotate a full charge Defile followed by Epidemic spams and inserting a Defile charge every 15s, would I not benefit from -10% toxic resistance and 75/0.5s from advantage as well as addition ~5% on R2 Defile? And I lose lesser time rotating powers and activation to be doing damage over more time.
Best thing about spamming Epidemic is you need not stop to use energy builder, plus you can time your Defile charges when the energy unlock from Supernatural Power occurs, theoretically never having to pause for energy builder.
Both works, just find one that suits your playstyle, like you said, you favour fighting from 100ft away. For me, I like my rotations simple that can keep my DPS consistently high. Both is not without merits.
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Post by higirls on May 24, 2012 8:01:00 GMT -5
I can't factor in Deadly Poison in Defile when comparing the 2 powers alone, that will skew the comparison. Personal power rotation is another matter, am I right? Right. Sorry for failing to notice on my own :facepalm: And thanks again for the number crunching. I'm gonna try some different rotations as soon as I'm done farming Q fighting crime with my other toons. |
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Post by tayong6969 on Sept 14, 2012 1:11:43 GMT -5
twammy sir can u make freeform curse scourge
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Post by tayong6969 on Sept 14, 2012 1:20:48 GMT -5
twamm's sir can u make freeform guide scourge cursed build
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Post by supercollide on Sept 14, 2012 3:21:48 GMT -5
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Post by quincy on Sept 14, 2012 21:14:50 GMT -5
all you really need is OPdemic
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Post by tayong6969 on Sept 17, 2012 3:10:50 GMT -5
tnx supper collide
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Post by tayong6969 on Sept 18, 2012 0:25:42 GMT -5
sir do you have freeform soldier guide?
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Post by supercollide on Sept 18, 2012 3:25:40 GMT -5
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