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Post by Meegatron on Sept 17, 2014 6:52:05 GMT -5
My RA will end kept as it is for farming and UNITY missions, or it will be retrained to The Invincible. I can't really bring myself to invest anything into improving this AT. Sure you can make every pig fly, but it doesn't turn it into F-22.
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Post by not1stepbackwards on Sept 17, 2014 9:29:08 GMT -5
Just to show my (low) expectations for this AT from the start, here is the character I designed: It's an homage based on the Street Fighter series, particular this joke ending from Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter: Meanwhile, deep underground in the Technodrome, another Automaton AT:
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Post by KenpoJuJitsu3 on Sept 17, 2014 11:39:53 GMT -5
Is that character called Cyber Saiyko?
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Post by not1stepbackwards on Sept 17, 2014 12:04:02 GMT -5
Is that character called Cyber Saiyko? Yeah, I've been in this weird homage phase what with the Automaton AT. It's that Rocket Punch. It brings back a lot of nostalgia. Admittedly, not mine finest moment. The big guy on the bottom I called "No-Brainer". Finally freed from the burden of his brain.
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Post by Zed Brightlander on Sept 17, 2014 17:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by KenpoJuJitsu3 on Sept 19, 2014 13:03:00 GMT -5
Is that character called Cyber Saiyko? Yeah, I've been in this weird homage phase what with the Automaton AT. It's that Rocket Punch. It brings back a lot of nostalgia. Admittedly, not mine finest moment. The big guy on the bottom I called "No-Brainer". Finally freed from the burden of his brain. I saw you in an alert, didn't even know it was you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 0:22:32 GMT -5
I took advantage of double XP and leveled my automaton, and have now finalized my build. My AutomatonWhen properly built and geared, this AT is contrary to most people's perception. I have found it survivable, has plenty of spiking power, and is basically a good premium AT for free.
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Post by Meegatron on Sept 23, 2014 12:24:02 GMT -5
If using Orbital Cannon as an opener, I'm not sure if there's any reason in taking Rocket Punch. Power Gauntlet is cheaper to tap-spam and has interrupt mechanic. Which comes great against jokers like ARGENT Engineers or VIPER Brickbusters. And yes, pretty much everyone with ability to read should figure that the main attack should be Cheast Beam. Nttg on the Binding Shot is questionable anyway, ranged AT has little use for it in PvE and I'm not sure about taking this AT to PvP with no CC available. Besides, what AT PvP? I did a retcon to this AT before and ended with a build very similar to yours. Actually... I did try Rocket Punch on my FF and ended returning to Tactical Missiles because I can at least apply CC with them, but Rocket Punch has verry narrow theme and usability. The power itself isn't anything amazing in the long run. Oh, well, if I'll ever feel like rocketpunching targets I can always use become Destroid device.
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Post by underwerekng on Sept 23, 2014 17:02:15 GMT -5
Finally maxed out my RA and got him some cheap starter gear to get an idea of what hes capable of. I went the chainsaw gauntlet rout to be different and because i'm partial to melee.
First i had to go back and respec to move the points from insight to aggression. i found that with 104 Int and 237 cost discount the 2-3 points of energy cost it saved was marginal compared tot he extra offense and defense.
I'm going to have to farm up some cash first but i also plan on respecing from Lock-N-Load to Ego Surge, while i was lvling it was needed for the cost discount but with diminishing returns its about as useful as Insight now.
Energy Wave is my usual opener and will kill off henchmen in Normal mode, it also drags the group to my feet so i can take a step back and Chainsaw them to death. When i'm hurting and have agro i toggle Reconstruction Circuits and back out of the fight using only power gauntlet or rocket punch, depending on mobility needs. Energy reserves are enough to full maintain chainsaw gauntlet and once i get 3 stacks of overdrive going i dont even need to stop to use my energy builder. i did take Accelerated Metabolism and Automated Assault on the EB to generate some energy while RC is running. But i haven't had any need for that since getting gear so its on my list of fat to trim when i retcon.
Its a fun playstyle for me and i feel like its more in line with whatever crazy dev designed this AT since the buff toggle works for both melee and ranged equally.
Edit: it would be a lot more fun if my Xbox controller would stop bugging out on me and not registering at all. Kinda takes the fun out of the game for me
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 17:16:42 GMT -5
@meegatron: Hindsight is a force to be reckoned with indeed. (Just messing with you ) Actually, the build itself is less important as it's specializations and how it's geared and statted. It's the CON stacking and INT and CD redux gear that makes the AT effective with a 46s CD high crit AO, and would otherwise be incredible energy starved without INT. underwerekng: You have the right idea by statting INT, just there's no need for cost discount gear (Insight and cost discount, choose one or the other, unfortunately including melee may cost you CD redux). Take note that once you take Automated Assualt, your EB dosn't generate energy when running Reconstruction Circuits (Accelerated Metabolism is too unreliable to waste a point in the EB). Thankfully, with INT, your RC doesn't cost much and is pretty much covered by Overdrive so you don't really feel the hit to your energy. (Probably why you haven't noticed your EB not generating energy with RC.) You may also want to reconsider Agression. When using Agressive Stance, for this AT's specializations, Enhanced Gear alone is enough to get the 100 offense necessarily to make the most of it (or mix and match, as long as you get 3 points into any of the 3 offense specializations). With Force of Will, any more points in the other 2 specializations to increase offense is marginal in increasing defense, and the points would be better spent elsewhere. BTW how much does it cost to respec fully an AT? 300G? I've been away too long to remember.
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Post by Meegatron on Sept 23, 2014 18:06:57 GMT -5
IIRC retcon costs 500 and more. I lost my count how many times I was jumping in and out of my hideout.
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Post by underwerekng on Sept 23, 2014 18:33:02 GMT -5
i did the math once, its 522g 27s 31c for powers, another 50g for talents/specializations and 30g+ for a new costume depending on how many of the hundreds of parts you change. Right now i need around 7-90G to retocn the powers/advantages i took to make leveling easier.
I took AM and AA together on my EB to have some free dps and a chance at energy generation while RC was running, during leveling, since at the time i had not yet obtained overdrive. i was well aware of the fact that AA prevents the EB from generating energy, it was the combo on advantages i was going for.
As of right now i have 6 points in offense increasing specializations, 122 offense total with 191 defense, 33% crit and 80% crit severity with a 52 second CD on lock-n-Load.
My reasoning for the extra offense and defense was because 1) i'm using cheap blue gear with Rank 5s so every point i can squeeze out is worth it, and 2) i'm melee focused to i need to be able to live a bit longer. For this purpose i also have Impact and Trapped speeds up boss fights and lets me live a little longer. i had Initiative while leveling but now that i use my EB less i took the points out of it. If i were to remove points from offense boosters i would be able to either go for more crit severity, Initiative, or offense CD but in my experience after int and CD reduction the effect of offense expertise is minor, 3-6 seconds at best.
Right now though my controller is on the fritz so i cant even enjoy playing, was fine until today when it drops connection constantly. might be a wiring issue but i'll have to take it apart to figure that out.
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Post by not1stepbackwards on Sept 23, 2014 18:34:05 GMT -5
All interesting points.
Btw, level 40s have that 1 Free Retcon and 1 free Specialisation Undo. Which I'm going to be using to test some of these theories.
Believe it or not, I'm actually considering leveling another Automaton that is more in-line with Tammy's build. Speaking for only myself, I had a bias towards Rocket Punch simply because it was the new gimmick, but didn't look at it objectively.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 19:19:26 GMT -5
underwerekng: Rather then sinking G into respecing now and cater for interim gear, I would advice to get your armadillo secondaries and do a couple of Unity dailies to get your primary offense and defense gear. With Force of Will and breastplate of defense, 122 offense over 100 offense is 0-1% increase in defense. Despite the intention of surviving better, the numbers may tell you a different story. When I mentioned CD redux, I actually meant through gear, a 1 min CD Implosion Engine is nice to have, not necessary, but nice. Catering for melee sticks you into cost redux gear since Insight does nothing for melee. (It's actually bugged for Orbital Cannon as well, not reducing it's cost.)
Side banter: I was short of 1 primary gear after hitting 40 and it seems there really isn't much SCR gear on the AH to be had nowadays. I had to do Unity but it was still quicker than trying to raise Gs for the ones on sale anyway.
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Post by underwerekng on Sept 24, 2014 1:49:36 GMT -5
not1stepbackwards: the free retcon at lvl 40 is for Gold/LTS accounts not a freebee silver account like mine. @tammy Waffles:I Have 2 FF slots and i use them to farm, doesn't take much time at all really but i'm lazy (one is set up to solo AA on elite, the whole instance just because i can). My current system is to set aside around 100G for my ATs that get to lvl 40 then use it to get them blue gear that in all honesty isn't bad at all. I've done the math a few times and the cost of unity gear is a couple days worth of missions or 100G+ for the good ones, where as the blue stuff with 5-9% lower stats is often <10G on AH or i just happen to come across the ones i use while farming. So its worth it to me to use them on the wacky ATs that i don't expect to do much with, like the RA. If nothing else this AT has got me thinking about how to use some more power armor abilities on my FF slots, which i guess was its intended purpose. Side banter: the kid is really cute, i may steal her and make her a nemesis.I know of one guy who was arrested for smuggling mooncakes into Australia, not exactly supervillian level stuff but crime is crime and someone has to take a bite out of it. If your wondering why on earth anyone would consider mooncake smuggling an arrestable offense it was because bird flue was all the rage at the time and they contain an egg product, that and some people just like to make strange rules to bother the rest of us.
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