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Post by rpgamerd00d on Feb 28, 2011 15:06:25 GMT -5
So, since I didn't name it Blade, I'm ok, then, right? If your sword wielding trenchcoat wearing half vampire character isn't named specifically "Blade" you should be good. What if my sword wielding, Wesley Snipes look-alike, black leather trenchcoat-clad, dark sunglasses-wearing, "turning into mist" (teleporting) character isn't named specifically "Blade" . I'm good, right?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 15:39:37 GMT -5
If your sword wielding trenchcoat wearing half vampire character isn't named specifically "Blade" you should be good. What if my sword wielding, Wesley Snipes look-alike, black leather trenchcoat-clad, dark sunglasses-wearing, "turning into mist" (teleporting) character isn't named specifically "Blade" . I'm good, right? I wouldn't try to imitate Snipes' look. But everything else like the sunglasses, trenchcoat, sword, etc are cliche enough to not be considered an issue. Every vampire hunter wears those, it's like part of an unofficial uniform.
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Post by not1stepbackwards on Feb 28, 2011 21:13:46 GMT -5
As a side note.... why does Cryptic have an Archetype, which wields 1 sword, named "Blade" given that there is a known, bad-ass Day-walking Vampire movie chain with the same name? Just sayin... I hear ya. However, after going through the process of making totally original characters (that do not share the name or image of any existing IP), it's actually incredibly rare to find a word or term that's not been used by a comic book character at any time. For example, let's look at some alternatives to "Blade": - Sword (actually, that's the name of an Image Comics series) - Swordsman (taken by a Marvel Comics character) - Melee (also taken by a Marvel Comics character) - Weapon Master (used by Dungeons & Dragons as a class) - what about Shank (...and there's a comic-style game called that) There's more options if you look at the Thesaurus, but you basically get specific names of swords and weapons, like rapier and ordanance, etc. So at that point, it seems pointless. However, other Archetypes also have the same problem: - Behemoth (a Marvel character associated with Namor) - Inferno (used by a DC character and multiple Marvel ones) - Grimoire (a character by the indie Speakeasy Comics) - Marksman (a DC character) - Soldier (an Image Comics character) Oh, and you know what, even the title of the game: - Champions (a '20s British comic and a Marvel team in the '70s) But let me say this... If you don't want to make original characters for Cryptic's sake, do it for your own enjoyment.Having gone through this, I think the characters I created are honestly better designed than the ones I initially had that were based on other IPs. I didn't think I could achieve that, but now I'm pretty convinced anybody could. Using other IPs just holds people back, it's like you'll always just be an Elvis impersonator or a cover band.
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Post by materia on Mar 3, 2011 14:27:14 GMT -5
Dumb question, but how exactly do you report someone for IP violation? The only option I can see when I right click is to reprot him/her as spam.
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Post by poopyhead on Mar 3, 2011 22:24:21 GMT -5
IP violations don't apply to real life people right? For example, can I make an Obama toon running around kicking ass...or a Palin toon running around acting like an idiot?
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Post by maxidanny on Mar 4, 2011 2:25:12 GMT -5
can i make al bundy ? ))
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2011 7:04:12 GMT -5
IP violations don't apply to real life people right? For example, can I make an Obama toon running around kicking ass...or a Palin toon running around acting like an idiot? Actually the use of celebrities, political figures and any other living person is also prohibited. It's harder to spot an average joe but running around with an Obama lookalike named "El Presidente" for example would guarantee a crit from the normalizer. can i make al bundy ? )) As long as it doesn't have his name then sure. Although I'm hesitant to ask what powers he'd have.
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Post by maxidanny on Mar 4, 2011 7:09:01 GMT -5
the power of shoe !!!!! infidel ))
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Post by poopyhead on Mar 4, 2011 12:05:23 GMT -5
Actually the use of celebrities, political figures and any other living person is also prohibited. It's harder to spot an average joe but running around with an Obama lookalike named "El Presidente" for example would guarantee a crit from the normalizer. Is this prohibited by IP issues or just by Cryptic? I seriously don't recall IP stretching to real life people.
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Post by KenpoJuJitsu3 on Mar 4, 2011 12:29:46 GMT -5
Actually the use of celebrities, political figures and any other living person is also prohibited. It's harder to spot an average joe but running around with an Obama lookalike named "El Presidente" for example would guarantee a crit from the normalizer. Is this prohibited by IP issues or just by Cryptic? I seriously don't recall IP stretching to real life people. It's not an IP issue, but instead a completely different issue that gets the same result as a copyright violation. It's not something unique to Cryptic.
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Post by poopyhead on Mar 4, 2011 22:21:50 GMT -5
It's not an IP issue, but instead a completely different issue that gets the same result as a copyright violation. It's not something unique to Cryptic. I wonder how that can be. We know that recently the Supreme Court thinks highly of the First Amendment. (Quote and link removed as they contain discriminatory remarks that are not appropriate for these boards.)-Honor GuardOne would think that using RL people would be protected. O well..guess not then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2011 23:15:55 GMT -5
The creation of a character in the likeness of celebrities, politicians, etc is problematic in that it implies an endorsement by said individuals. Running around with a character named George Lucas would imply that he's allowed his name to be used in such a manner when clearly that's not the case.
If Cryptic does nothing to stifle the copyright violation and other various celebrity copy characters then they are, in a sense, condoning the practice.
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Let's say I were to start a subscription to the game and I decide I want to make Deadpool. I make a Deadpool clone and I start playing the game. If my Deadpool doesn't get normalized then Cryptic is, in a way, allowing me to pay them to use their game to make a Marvel character that's protected by Marvel's copyright. They're profiting from something that doesn't belong to them. Same thing applies to celebrities even though their name itself isn't copyright protected it's still not Cryptic's "property" and they aren't allowed to legally profit from such things.
Ever watch the end credits of a movie and seen the line that says something like "Any resemblance to real people is purely coincidental."? That's the studio's way of covering themselves in case something like this pops up. Cryptic cannot issue such disclaimers because it's they aren't the ones making the characters in question, the players are.
"But Silver members aren't paying a subscription so they aren't affected by such things right?" Absolutely incorrect. The fact that Cryptic is making profit from the game at all means that anything going on within it is subject to scrutiny regardless of whether or not individuals are paying customers or free members.
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Post by poopyhead on Mar 4, 2011 23:26:38 GMT -5
The creation of a character in the likeness of celebrities, politicians, etc is problematic in that it implies an endorsement by said individuals. Running around with a character named George Lucas would imply that he's allowed his name to be used in such a manner when clearly that's not the case. I would think religious, political, and social commentary would be protected. (i.e. You see alot of "guest" stars on the Simpsons all the time that weren't voiced by the actual people. And I'm pretty sure the actual people didn't give explicit permission since the Simpsons made them look like idiots on the show). So, if I were to do a Palin toon in CO as a political commentary on her policies, I would think it would be protected. IP rules shouldn't apply since this would be on a RL person and not something copyrighted. Also, the quote you removed was from the Washington Post about a legal issue...and ironic since it was about the First Amendment trumping society's feeling about an idea itself being offensive or disagreeable.
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Post by Admin on Mar 4, 2011 23:31:08 GMT -5
I wonder how that can be. We know that recently the Supreme Court thinks highly of the First Amendment. Its pretty simple: you have the right to freedom of speech, but only in a public location. If you are in a private individuals home, then they have the right to tell you to get out if they dont like what you have to say. Likewise, this is Cryptic's game. So they get to decide the rules the same way you get to decide the rules in your own home.
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Post by poopyhead on Mar 4, 2011 23:34:43 GMT -5
I wonder how that can be. We know that recently the Supreme Court thinks highly of the First Amendment. Its pretty simple: you have the right to freedom of speech, but only in a public location. If you are in a private individuals home, then they have the right to tell you to get out if they dont like what you have to say. Likewise, this is Cryptic's game. So they get to decide the rules the same way you get to decide the rules in your own home. If that's true, then Cryptic shouldn't use "getting sued" as an excuse.
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