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Post by scorcherofthorns on Jun 18, 2013 2:59:58 GMT -5
The D&D Neverwinter beta shows a game that looks like a refined Perfect World with a D&D flavor on it. Of course it have those cool mobility candies like the sliding capability (awesome) but in all I'm not sure if that game is gonna bring anything new to the MMO world.
With that being said I'm still shopping for a new MMO, taking into consideration that I don't have the hardware for GW2 at the moment so the game needs to be not over the top in tech reqs. Basically Champions Online is pretty much the limit for me tech wise, so I'm considering giving Old Republic a try and I'm wondering what you guys think of that game.
What's there that makes it unique other than its a "Starwars" (Disney) game? and also what class should be easy to make a start with?
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Post by supercollide on Jun 18, 2013 3:17:52 GMT -5
The D&D Neverwinter beta shows a game that looks like a refined Perfect World with a D&D flavor on it. Of course it have those cool mobility candies like the sliding capability (awesome) but in all I'm not sure if that game is gonna bring anything new to the MMO world. With that being said I'm still shopping for a new MMO, taking into consideration that I don't have the hardware for GW2 at the moment so the game needs to be not over the top in tech reqs. Basically Champions Online is pretty much the limit for me tech wise, so I'm considering giving Old Republic a try and I'm wondering what you guys think of that game. What's there that makes it unique other than its a "Starwars" (Disney) game? and also what class should be easy to make a start with? If CO's your limit tech wise then SWTOR might be too much, I know I had to upgrade in order to play it. Story, that's SWTOR's selling point, I keep coming back to CO as it can be slow going but when you hit a new story section you'll usually hammer through it and gorge on it. I'd say that the non-force toons would probably be best, Agent on the Imp side (I 'm finding a lack of motivation for the BH) and smuggler and trooper on republic. I love the smugglers story as they've clearly watched firefly and taken notes.
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Post by scorcherofthorns on Jun 18, 2013 3:27:26 GMT -5
Oh Nice I love story, something that's quite rare these days, I can run DCU in my dinosaur, you think STWOR won't be able to work?
As for the toon recommendations are those classes powerful? Because the one thing I can't stand are incompetent classes and every game has them, hell is like developers belong to this religious cult called the "Lets make it suck" cult and they'll sabotage at least 1 class in ever game ever made, I make it a point avoiding playing those classes.
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Post by supercollide on Jun 18, 2013 4:17:13 GMT -5
Oh Nice I love story, something that's quite rare these days, I can run DCU in my dinosaur, you think STWOR won't be able to work? As for the toon recommendations are those classes powerful? Because the one thing I can't stand are incompetent classes and every game has them, hell is like developers belong to this religious cult called the "Lets make it suck" cult and they'll sabotage at least 1 class in ever game ever made, I make it a point avoiding playing those classes. I'd try it but be prepared, it's a hella big download though (voice acting files) so I'd see if someone near you at least got the discs you can pre-load from. Yes, there's QQ about each class in the forums but there'd be class imbalance QQ in an MMO even if there was only one class... They can all be pretty powerful.
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Post by not1stepbackwards on Jun 18, 2013 4:25:53 GMT -5
The SWTOR classes are all fine. There are no real flaws, each class does its job, but obviously has specific roles. It's a lot less like here in CO where all of us are like "play Glacier, Unleashed, maybe Soldier." The Republic and Imperial classes are exact mirrors, just different names, and of course, personal stories. So in the end, it's the stories that affected my choice the most, here's my rating of top to bottom: SITH WARRIOR (number 1 by miles for me) IMPERIAL AGENT (really good, the majority's favourite) REPUBLIC TROOPER (ok ONLY for the 1st Act) Why so Empire? Playing the bad guy's more fun, right, but SWTOR takes it to 11. The Jedi Knight is sooo boring, while the Sith Warrior actually reveals a side of the Star Wars universe you've never seen. The Sith Warrior was the 1st time I actually had to think of moral choices, which is why she's my top pick. Imperial Agent is good, but not as Star Wars-exclusive. I found the female voice acting superior in these classes. --- Graphics-wise, I found this. The graphics aren't superior, but for some reason, slower than they should be. I run DCUO fine, which looks a lot better, but for some reason stumble with SWTOR. --- The D&D Neverwinter beta shows a game that looks like a refined Perfect World with a D&D flavor on it. Suddenly, it all makes sense.
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Post by andypuk1980 on Jun 18, 2013 6:59:45 GMT -5
I personally love SWTOR, i've been playing it like crazy the last few weeks, which is why i haven't been on CO as much. So far i've got two characters to level 50, a smuggler which the story was great, very much as you would expect for a smuggler in the Star Wars universe, a Bounty Hunter which was ok, enjoyed playing it more than the story if you know what i mean and now currently working through a Sith Warrior (totally loving it so far and the story is excellent, like Not1stepbackwards said its great being evil from time to time and the choices you make have a good impact on your story). SWTOR also has alot to offer in gameplay, not only doing the usual grinding missions but there is space missions (flying around in your spaceship), Flashpoints and Operations (team based instances), PVP if you want to and lots of other little bits and pieces. So i can highly recommend this game myself if you want something different from CO and other MMO's. It's also worth mentioning that you get companions as well or NPC controlled sidekicks so you can solo alot of stuff if you wish but i find it better to team up with people with the added bonus of using your companions as well. Theres lots of other stuff i can go on about but i'm sure others here will fill you in with it if i haven't done so already. If you do consider trying it out give me a shout and i'd be happy to join you for some teaming
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Post by scorcherofthorns on Jun 18, 2013 9:24:13 GMT -5
I don't really like the bad guys, especially Starwars style bad guys, they all look like Hitler with super powers to me. Or maybe they'll go "Oblivion" style with it, "go and kill an entire family for the sake of evil!" See serial killers, and dictators in my book aren't cool, they are just evil. So this role playing games that want to put me in the evil seat, need to ensure the "evil" they depict is cool and not just evil, and most games I have seen don't really move me through with it since developers usually don't know how to go about it.
I like to think of my toons to be evil guys with a good mission and overall intentions, essentially these guys would still save the village but have no trouble at all cheating, deceiving, scamming, stealing, drinking, fornicating, and killing their enemies horribly if they had to. And that's another thing that upsets me deeply about most role playing games as they seem to not leave any room for that so basically you are either the "do no bad thing monk" good guy (boring) or the Andrei Chikatilo with super powers serial killer or my favorite one (not really)Hitler gone "super" type of toon.
That was the 1 thing that prevented me from playing red side (City of Villains) in the defunct City of Heroes, that game started you up as part of an oppression machine oppressing the people of this little town and from them on build up on the story to be like that. I'm certain Osama Bin Laden would have loved that game, but I really didn't which is the reason I played blue side (hero) all the way.
So basically are you guys saying that the good guys are less powerful than the good guys in Old Republic?
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Post by supercollide on Jun 18, 2013 10:12:35 GMT -5
....I like to think of my toons to be evil guys with a good mission and overall intentions, essentially these guys would still save the village but have no trouble at all cheating, deceiving, scamming, stealing, drinking, fornicating, and killing their enemies horribly if they had to. And that's another thing that upsets me deeply about most role playing games as they seem to not leave any room for that so basically you are either the "do no bad thing monk" good guy (boring) or the Andrei Chikatilo with super powers serial killer or my favorite one (not really)Hitler gone "super" type of toon... The basic history of the Sith Empire is that of revenge (..at last we will have our revenge on the jedi...) and the survival of the fittest, the Jedi beat them after Naga Sadow declared war and them proceeded to carpet bomb their civilian population and persecute them. swtor.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Empire None of the stories 'need' to be pure good/bad they are all about furthering your side's aims. The Agent storyline is great as it's got a lot of "is it right/wrong? My country needs me to do this" scenarios. I play mine as nice but fiercely patriotic "threaten my people and I will end you." type. The Sith Inquisitor storyline starts interesting as you are a slave given an opportunity to train to be sith, the peak of their society but also the sharp end where dead men's boots is standard so you are going to have a pretty screwy outlook on life to begin with. You can play them nice, nasty or inbetween, whatever you fancy. IIRC the Republic Trooper storyline starts with giving you the option of taking medicine from a dying kid and giving it to soldiers and forcably extracting a doctor by threatening the orphan's he's treating.
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Post by plinske on Jun 18, 2013 12:25:58 GMT -5
Hey I'm enjoying the game so far, especially the storyline. My Bounty Hunter is lvl 26 but already with light side 4. This playing naturally, with dialogue choices I think professionally combine with him. I think my companion influences too, because she seems to have "real" personality, in a certain dialogue she questioned me if their work was different from a assassin, where you are paid to take out a life, I was really unanswered because the dialogue options do not represent any of the answers that I want to give. But already avoided at least 2 fights simply through the dialogues, and this is wonderfull! On the other hand I'm playing my jedi sage as a true jedi, with all that talk of "maybe the force be with you" bla bla bla and perhaps the dialogues are not so much interesting but her gameplay and power are vastly superior to the BH. I did recently a [heroic2+] and [area] on Tatooine solo, something I can never do with my BH. She needs a lot of micro manageament his companion but the gameplay is incredible. Played an Imperial Agent and Smuggler only until they leave home planet, but are classes that can easily walk in the gray area.
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Post by not1stepbackwards on Jun 18, 2013 15:01:11 GMT -5
I see your point, Scorcher. IMHO, it reinforces my belief you'll like the Sith Warrior or Imperial Agent. I'm not going to say more than that for fear of spoilers. They're Machiavellian manipulators, not murderers. In particular, the Sith Warrior. She's the opposite of Anakin Skywalker: calm, calculating, aberrant. Each class has a Prologue you can finish in a night to get a feel of their story, so it's low commitment. --- Also, Supercollide's right on the Republic Trooper. There's the medicine thing, but there's a bigger one later. You are ordered to execute 3 people for fear they are cyborg killers, brainwashed to think they're human.
The 3 insist this is crazy, as they think they're just humans! Then again, that's what they're supposed to think.
You have no other reliable information, except killing them is the "Good" option, letting them go is the "Bad".
What do you do? Remember, you're supposed to be the Good Guy.
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Post by evincarzed on Jun 18, 2013 22:20:59 GMT -5
I played a prototype spec bounty hunter with conscience, and enjoyed it until i started to miss champions online and being FF. SWTOR is too wow-like to me, with those spec trees and equip/appearance dependency. I really loved the experience, tough, and made my char in CO as Bounty Hunter BR. Today, i dont log into SWTOR anymore. CO has my heart and i really brought many things from SWOTR to my CO game.
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Post by andypuk1980 on Jun 19, 2013 1:26:23 GMT -5
The one thing i like about SWTOR is that you can be light or dark whichever side you choose, you don't have to be evil if you want to play on the Imperial side, in fact i played my Bounty Hunter as a self employed type guy, with most of my conversation choices based on "I don't work for you, i want my reward now!!!" for example. I did start a Jedi Sage just so i could try out a healing character and its ok but the story hasn't gripped me quite as much and being a bit of a altaholic i've got one for each of the other classes but i need to play them more to really get into them and they're stories. If anyone is interested i'm in a Imperial guild over on the Red Eclipse PVE server, we are welcoming more members, theres 3 of us so far with alts as well, so let me know if your interested in joining
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Post by scorcherofthorns on Jun 21, 2013 8:40:08 GMT -5
WOW guys that's some wickedly good input, thank you all for replying, do you all play in the same server?
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Post by andypuk1980 on Jun 21, 2013 8:54:10 GMT -5
I don't know about the other guys, but i think me and Supercollide are on the same server (EU - Red Eclipse PVE), I think Supercollide mentioned it on another thread. I could make some characters on another server if people wanted to form up and play together sometime but i tend to stick to EU servers and the GMT timezone
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Post by supercollide on Jun 21, 2013 15:42:19 GMT -5
I don't know about the other guys, but i think me and Supercollide are on the same server (EU - Red Eclipse PVE), I think Supercollide mentioned it on another thread. I could make some characters on another server if people wanted to form up and play together sometime but i tend to stick to EU servers and the GMT timezone I'm across 3 servers but my mains are all on The Harbinger (NA). I was waiting and waiting for server transfers to go to Europe servers but did some quick data grabbing and there's still more on the NA servers for the times I play (10pm and after GMT). I gave up on so many toons with all the server transfers and losing the names. 10 on The Harbinger (NA) all Lvl 10+ 1 on The Progenitor (Europe) Lvl 10 Republic 1 on Red Eclipse (Europe) Lvl 2 Empire
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