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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2012 18:30:11 GMT -5
You're saying the concept of "be the hero you want to be" is why the game was failing prior to F2P? Were you around before F2P launched? I can't see how you can qualify that statement any other way. Pretty much. There's a ton of reasons the game had to go F2P. Open customization (the game's main hook that distinguishes it from every other MMO out there) isn't one of them. Those who have been around since at least launch know of the myriad missteps. For starters the day one disaster patch was an immense blow to the game and that doesn't even count all the other patches, bugs that hung around too long, broken powers that hung around too long, content that never showed up, PvP never getting any attention, the Vibora- Pay explosion, etc.. I could go on and on without even touching the game's difficulty...but I'll touch on that too. The game was even easier during the beta, the day one patch adjusted the difficulty (among other things) and people left, many citing because they didn't feel as super anymore. Kind of hard to get behind a notion of "freeform making the game easy is why it failed" when the very first live patch of the game made it harder and caused people to demand refunds. I remember the launch day patch. Threw me for a loop when fighting a villain all of a sudden started leaving bruises. -snip- I seriously hope that after having a history of it on the boards in regards to that one particular problem you are not going to deny it, you can say you don't agree, but gee, lots of people have criticized CO for its lack of challenge in the past and I can tell you without having the slightest probability to be wrong Freeforms are the reason for that, so no I was not around before, I don't need to in order to know that, I can still read what's being posted, and heard what's being rumored, I may be wrong about what cause CO going F2P, as a veteran I give you that, that still doesn't change what I think about Freeforms and present ATs for that matter. I just pointed out that you're reasoning about the game's performance prior to F2P is flawed because, as you pointed out yourself, your source is second-hand information. Very subjective and jaded second-hand information at that. Freeform, the game's main draw, isn't what caused the major declines in subs before F2P. Kenpo gave a quick overview of the game's other more serious problems that cropped up in the first six months alone. The game's overall difficulty even after the launch day patch probably did play a role in some of the decline but the difficulty issues have never been centered around freeform being the issue. Here's how things are supposed to work. Devs design game content for players. Players work with what they're given and play through said content. If this content no longer poses a challenge to the player population at large it's up to the devs to design new and more challenging content. Vibora Bay, the APs and the Comic Series are supposed to be the answer to that "new and more challenging content" part but it's only lived up to the former and not the latter. This is all horribly off-topic though. Bottom line is that freeform has never been the issue behind the difficulty of the game.
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Post by dr490nbr347h on Feb 6, 2012 0:28:06 GMT -5
Like mostly everyone else, I can't say I'm for OR Against this.
- For - It would give me a reason to spend some money on the game.
- Against - I can see a huge revolt of Gold and LTS And possibly a huge number of Gold and LTS quitting the game.
And other reason's. I was going to go gold, But I might just get this IF They ever do release it.
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Post by nepht on Feb 6, 2012 14:30:31 GMT -5
Like mostly everyone else, I can't say I'm for OR Against this. - For - It would give me a reason to spend some money on the game. - Against - I can see a huge revolt of Gold and LTS And possibly a huge number of Gold and LTS quitting the game. And other reason's. I was going to go gold, But I might just get this IF They ever do release it. They say its an IF but to be honest it ain't Cryptic's idea they were dead against it a few weeks back and now PWE said you know what what we did with Trek worked everything for free and f@&K the gold players even though they were the most loyal fans, and now its CO's turn. I can see the point PWE is making >__> give em the best toys for free and they will buy the pointless crap in the store it works PWE makes a *censored*load of cash each day. Thats not what I'm pissed at. I'm pissed at this, they plan this without plans to beef up the premium AT's for the silvers that dropped cash on the things. They plan this without coming up with a big replacement for freeform for the Golds and LTS. I was only gold in CO for 170 days so I cant talk for long term Golds but I am thinking free retrain token with the gold free retcon token at 40 and only Golds can use the Foundry to make content. That might lessen the blow...but still freeform is a big carrot to sub dont think anything could better that. It will happen Perfect World wants freeform in C-store . So yeah to cut a long tangent short your right there is no real reason to sub anymore.
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Post by dr490nbr347h on Feb 6, 2012 22:33:06 GMT -5
Exactly, I keep saying to myself, Freeform IS Gold.
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Post by KenpoJuJitsu3 on Feb 7, 2012 5:35:13 GMT -5
Loyalty sounds great, but in reality if they stayed "loyal" to Golds there would be no F2P, the game would have stayed subscription only and the game would have shutdown already. Let's not forget that everything silvers get for free a vocal group of golds complained about for months before F2P started and after F2P hit. People forget that the very notion of F2P is already being "disloyal" to all the golds that were there for over a year before F2P.
Frankly, they can keep their "loyalty" away from me if it means the game is not going to grow or survive. I come to play, not to complain about different payment options being made available to float a game with a shrinking player base.
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Post by kalaitzis on Feb 7, 2012 7:12:38 GMT -5
I want to know something more about the topic...If the Cryptic release a freeform slot, would be free or i have to purchase it ...And can i use the powers from the free archetypes or from all Archetypes??
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Post by supercollide on Feb 7, 2012 7:28:34 GMT -5
I want to know something more about the topic...If the Cryptic release a freeform slot, would be free or i have to purchase it ...And can i use the powers from the free archetypes or from all Archetypes?? It's still in discussion but there's no chance that it would be free. I'd guess that you'd have access to all powers and powersets not just the powers the archetypes have.
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Post by maddemon64 on Feb 7, 2012 9:07:27 GMT -5
If it comes out, I just might buy it (and/or something that lets me convert one of my characters to a freeform version of their archetype), because, quite frankly, I am furious that the Behemoth does not get enrage or its giant growth advantage.
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Post by Jaxton Dragoon on Feb 7, 2012 9:11:35 GMT -5
Yeah, no chance it would be free. Lets see, I can pay $15 a month to play freeform or just 1120 tokens every time I want 2 new characters. No contest there.
If I had to hazard a guess I would say a Freeform slot would cost $15-20 whether it would come with a character slot or just be a 'token' to unlock an existing slot is debatable but I would guess it would be a full character, slot and all.
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Post by kalaitzis on Feb 7, 2012 12:22:03 GMT -5
And how much is going to cost at my ''pocket'' (another 920 CP)?
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Post by KenpoJuJitsu3 on Feb 7, 2012 12:41:21 GMT -5
And how much is going to cost at my ''pocket'' (another 920 CP)? One arm, two kidneys and a first born. Standard exchange rates to Zen apply.
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Post by bsquared on Feb 7, 2012 14:59:26 GMT -5
It's no bother to me whether Silver players get access to Free form slots or not.
As a monthly subscriber since launch. My question is whether Gold subscription would still be offered once they start selling Freeform slots and if so what perks may be added or removed.
I'm an altoholic. I like getting a new slot every time I get a toon to level 40. I like the access to all power frameworks and basic costume packs. I love the veteran bonus of free retcons per toon per 100 days subscribed.
My fear is that once they start selling Free form slots that there would be no reason to support the Gold recurring subscription model anymore.
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Post by Jaxton Dragoon on Feb 7, 2012 15:18:52 GMT -5
I'm guessing Gold would still be offered simply because its "guaranteed" income.
A Gold player must pay $15 per month to keep playing. Yes I know that there are cheaper options, such as boxed editions, cards, and paying for multiple months at once. Buying Freeform slots could net the same amount as a sub per character sold but with a less guaranteed rate.
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Post by scorcherofthorns on Feb 7, 2012 18:19:28 GMT -5
And how much is going to cost at my ''pocket'' (another 920 CP)? One arm, two kidneys and a first born. Standard exchange rates to Zen apply. I wouldn't count on that kenpo, if is too pricey nobody would buy it, F2Piers are players that by nature don't want to spend giants amounts of money on their game, even though in many cases they actually spend more (a good example, yours truly!), it's just that it doesn’t feel like they are doing it, if spending regally is part of their nature then they would just sub, now don't confuse freeloaders with conservative spending. The economy is getting worse by the day globally and this F2P fever sweeping across the net goes hand in hand with that, people on a global scale are beginning to cut their expenses and there is no way that an freeform slot costing an arm and a leg would sell because like I said people will either not buy it or sub if they really want it, and I don't think subbing is the issue with F2P, what I mean by that is that it is not the objective of F2P even though the devs would love people to sub. That would certainly annoy the people who feel they are being paying for a Gold membership just for the Freeform slot, but you made a memorable post a few blocks up in this page referring to the similar level of discomfort that took place when the game went F2P. It’s evolution, but for it to work it have to be successful evolution and that simply translates into sells, nothing more and nothing less, and a Freeform slot costing an arm and a leg its likely not to sell much, why would anyone over pay for a freeform slot, if we would be so crazy about it, we would just sub, yet that’s not what’s happening isn’t it, then what makes you think we would change our minds and go nuts spending on this F slots.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2012 19:36:36 GMT -5
I'm an altoholic. I like getting a new slot every time I get a toon to level 40. I like the access to all power frameworks and basic costume packs. I love the veteran bonus of free retcons per toon per 100 days subscribed. My fear is that once they start selling Free form slots that there would be no reason to support the Gold recurring subscription model anymore. Have you not yet done the math? No way freeform slots will be cheaper than subscription for an altholic unless they're practically free.
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